Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

I saw most of this match on streaming and it seemed a sure win for the 254 allianc - then I lost the feed, When it came back I just caught the end of the explanation of the ruling disqualifying - giving a red card and zeroing out the score. It certainly didn't make sense. Getting disqualified because someone pushed you into a position when you are powerless to defend yourself? I thought a red card meant you were disqualified from playing the rest of the day. That would of been something!

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

I'm sure that Aidan Browne didn't miss that update. He, our head ref, and the rest of the referees spent several minutes discussing it before coming to the decision. Given that we don't know what was going on in the minds of the two drive teams, there was likely some slight guesswork involved regarding motive. I believe that student representatives from both 254 and 469 were also given a very specific explanation of the ruling.

That ruling wasn't going to make everyone happy regardless of the outcome.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

But I can't figure any interpretation of the rule where the penalty should be called that way. Either the one move win didn't happen and the poofs shouldn't have been carded or it did happen and the ones that should have been carded was the other alliance. In no scenario that I can see should the poofs take a red card like they did.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

<G32> Neither ROBOTS, HOSTBOTS, nor MINIBOTS may break the planes of the vertically
projected borders of the opponent‟s ZONES, including a GAME PIECE in their POSSESSION.
Momentary incursions by a POSSESSED GAME PIECE will not be penalized if they do not
make contact with anything in the ZONE.
Violation: PENALTY. G61 does not apply to this rule, however strategies aimed at taking
advantage of this exception will result in a PENALTY plus a YELLOW CARD. If a ROBOT
enters the opponent's ZONE and does not make immediate effort to leave OR if it contacts
another ROBOT (or GAME PIECE in its POSSESSION) also in the ZONE, then the intruding
TEAM will receive a RED CARD

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

Red highlight is mine. The intent of the rule is obvious. I was standing at the side of the field and made the comment at the time that it would be a red card. The blue alliance robot made no attempt to get out of the way of the scoring robot, the red robot went directly to the wal and scored, the blue robot continually drove straight ahead into the red robot without reversing at all to get out of the way.

If the red team did not have a tube and did not drive directly to the wall and score then I do not believe the penalty would have been the same.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

Yes but the update is making an exception for G32 in the elimination rounds with this update which seems to be the entire point of the update.

A blue ALLIANCE ROBOT is in the blue ZONE. A second blue ALLIANCE ROBOT is outside the
ZONE, but in the general vicinity. A ROBOT from the red ALLIANCE, exiting its LANE, crosses near
the second blue alliance ROBOT. The second blue ALLIANCE ROBOT intentionally pushes the red
ALLIANCE ROBOT in to the blue ZONE. The red ALLIANCE ROBOT contacts the first blue
ALLIANCE ROBOT. This would result normally result in a YELLOW CARD for the second blue
ALLIANCE ROBOT and a RED CARD for the red ALLIANCE ROBOT per Rule <G32>. However, if
this were to occur during an elimination match, this would result in the entire red ALLIANCE being
disqualified per Rule <T13>, and a ‘one move win’ by the blue ALLIANCE.

I guess the interpretation could be that because they were going for the hang that it wasn't intentional pushing but its still intentional its just not for the sake of trying to get cards for the other alliance.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

The blue highlight was directly from the latest rule revision and applies to this ruling.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

I think there is some guesswork involved in this matter. If they called it one move win strategy then that would mean that the GDC has to have another rule for teams who'd just sit dangerously close to the line for the offensive team to push them in, it would result in a red card for the team trying to score. A possibly one move strategy.

I'm not saying that 254 tried the "defensive" one move strategy because they didn't. The replay proves that they got really close to the red zone trying to pick up a square. They hit our robot, tube possessed, and then got into a pushing match with 469, again a robot with a tube in possession. The rules could have been more clear on this. But hey, at the end of the day, it didn't matter. The better alliance won. [and gave us something to be happy about for a while.. ;) ]

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Anyways, controversies aside. Galileo was simply amazing this year! Great teams with great robots at the first FIRST Champs in St. Louis! This is probably the most dramatic competition 188 has ever attended. We made it in, got our things ready and packed in less than a week; clocked in at 33rd, were picked by a 4th seed and reached the finals by beating the top seeded alliance in two matches! WOW.

469 & 610, you guys were amazing partners. Too bad it didn't work out in the finals but hey, we made it to the finals against all odds! We were beaten by the best alliance at St. Louis who were truly deserving of the division win. Although we couldn't win Galileo, thank you for making this an amazing experience for us. :)

111, 254, 973: :eek: :eek:


251 days 'till the 2012 FRC season!!

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

The very day the "one move win" team update came out, one of our mentors observed that you could still pull it off as long as you had a tube in your possession. Good call by him, and a capstone on a very sloppy season for rules updates and consistent interpretations.

I originally wrote a long winded message outlining each of the questionable calls that I personally observed on Galileo, but there is no point in airing all of that in public. In the end, the best alliance in the division won.

See everybody in the offseason.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

We didn't miss a single ubertube. Actually, we ended up successfully running our two tube in our last qualification match.

Re: 2011 Galileo Division
 

Anybody have any match videos? I was busy driving during quals and packing the crate for half of elims, I'd really love to see some quality vids of the action.