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Zach O

15-04-2011 18:19

2011 Galileo Division

Let's get some talk started for the 2011 Galileo division!

www.frclinks.com/e/gal/2011

A little bit of data, for you enthusiast out there.

28 teams holding 36 regional wins on this field alone! Listed below, in descending order

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Average OPRs in descending order are listed below, from Travis Hoffman's data in the 2011 Championship Divisions thread.

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Best OPRs are listed in descending order from Travis Hoffman's OPR spreadsheet (can be found below)

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Team        Best OPR

111        73.9248

1114        71.8842

254        71.5917

48        56.1789

341        55.7071

1985        55.6489

2137        53.3544

359        51.8483

967        50.9771

469        50.5631

935        47.6648

399        45.9861

294        45.8015

1218        45.5229

63        45.5159

973        43.6561

610        42.8402

2337        42.4786

1056        42.4613

548        42.4237

40        40.6288

1425        38.4389

1868        37.7338

1885        37.5913

395        37.475

1771        36.8577

1334        36.817

694        36.6017

195        35.8345

175        35.2598

1086        34.9241

292        33.3536

230        32.2803

1714        32.1439

70        31.5935

1197        31.2869

1098        31.0126

476        30.3429

1429        30.0761

295        28.8579

1305        26.5205

3824        25.8579

93        24.9499

281        23.8513

173        20.0479

3393        18.4115

1816        15.6034

2073        15.5997

433        15.4473

2199        13.0146

3504        12.0687

3464        12.0549

3487        11.8617

2472        11.7773

3729        11.6269

2607        11.3018

1099        11.0104

1188        10.7523

1094        10.1224

1646        10.0852

1522        10.0756

884        9.70535

3574        7.34395

1557        7.12348

3374        6.78932

357        6.68098

751        6.63733

1266        6.52226

1706        6.21088

3711        5.98548

1288        5.74921

159        5.24393

1444        5.13823

3397        4.81836

3645        4.38486

3588        3.71653

329        3.56105

3526        3.01696

999        2.86764

3528        2.79226

3527        1.59297

3466        0.355798

1212        -0.446965

3132        -0.646374

1700        -2.7423

151        -4.17929

3750        -5.60964

And top average scores per match

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GALI-

remulasce

15-04-2011 18:28

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Half of Einstein finals last year is present. 294, 469, and 1114.

MarkoRamius1086

15-04-2011 18:33

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Can't wait to be part of Galelio again! This time in St. Louis!

GA-LE!

r2davis2

15-04-2011 18:34

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LEO

Honestly, this seems like a very stacked division should be very fun to watch. Also elims in the DOME!!!!(I think).

Zach O

15-04-2011 18:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by r2davis2 (Post 1053237)

LEO

Honestly, this seems like a very stacked division should be very fun to watch. Also elims in the DOME!!!!(I think).

We're in the dome on Thursday, pits on Friday, and dome on Saturday.

J93Wagner

15-04-2011 18:51

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Looks like we'll be there.

I also took a quick look through for WI teams and I saw 1714 there. Unfortunately it looks like we're the only two from there. :eek:

P.S. What's the only thing better than robotics? MORE ROBOTICS!!!

r2davis2

15-04-2011 18:52

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

anyone wanna get some opr based off best event going?

AdamHeard

15-04-2011 19:01

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

looks like fun.

Zach O

15-04-2011 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by r2davis2 (Post 1053250)

anyone wanna get some opr based off best event going?

Not sure if it's "best event" or not, but OPRs are listed above

Nemo	15-04-2011 19:16

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Here is the Galileo division with best event OPR listed.

What a sweet division - I can't wait to compete with these teams. Thanks to Travis for the OPR spreadsheet.

r2davis2

15-04-2011 19:19

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Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1053265)

Here is the Galileo division with best event OPR listed.

What a sweet division - I can't wait to compete with these teams. Thanks to Travis for the OPR spreadsheet.

Thanks

CallieJ

15-04-2011 19:40

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This is going to be a challenging division this year. 1114, 111 and 254 all in the same place is going to be an adventure. Elims in the dome is especially nice.

Travis Hoffman

15-04-2011 19:54

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Rock on. :)

Lavapicker

15-04-2011 20:02

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Wow, Galileo looks stacked! Has anyone seen the average OPR per division? Galileo has to be highest by far.

Kyoshirin

15-04-2011 20:06

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Highest OPR as well. We have 2 of the three 70+ teams.

J_Miles

15-04-2011 21:36

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The team list looks extremely formidable. Expect to see some fireworks here, especially in the finals.

Bjenks548

16-04-2011 10:12

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Should be a fun but challenging division. Glad to see some Michigan teams that 548 has played with before. 70, 469, 1188, 2137, and 2337 (at all of our event this year?). Good luck to all teams.

waialua359

16-04-2011 10:57

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Wow, why even check? Another tough division again.
Having discussions 1114, 254, 40, and 357 here at vex worlds has been fun since we are all in the same divisions here also.
357 will probably be our next door pit team in back to back tournaments. :)
We got to see both 1114 FRC driver and operator in two matches with us this weekend.
Great great humble kids.

Eliminations should be great to participate in, for this division.

catsylve

16-04-2011 11:40

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Wow! This is going to be so exciting to play on the same field with such great teams!

AlecMataloni

16-04-2011 12:13

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This division looks awesome! We can't wait to play with you guys! If only the championships didnt seem so far away...

Karibou

16-04-2011 17:59

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Galileo definitely seems to be the place to be this year! I'm volunteering, and I'm on field reset. We're going to have our work cut out for us, it seems. Good luck to all of the teams!

J93Wagner

16-04-2011 18:24

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Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1053582)

Galileo definitely seems to be the place to be this year! I'm volunteering, and I'm on field reset. We're going to have our work cut out for us, it seems. Good luck to all of the teams!

You very much look to be having it cut out for you. Good luck, you're probably going to need it.

Patrick Seeney

16-04-2011 19:02

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Our division is stacked, I can't wait to see so many of the teams I have been following all season. The possibilities for match ups in qualifications are quite intriguing!

Chris is me

16-04-2011 19:28

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This division has some solid depth to it.

Everyone will probably get wrapped up in IFI with 1114, 111, and 254, but that's not all there is at the top. 40 and 195's performances, especially at their second events, were very solid yet relatively unnoticed. They are at the very top of this division. The criminally underrated 2137, 341, 973, and 1771 are part of a very large upper middle tier.

Tom Bottiglieri

17-04-2011 11:22

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Good luck to 254 and 195! I'll be rooting for you via webcast!

Too bad 125 couldnt be a part of the division... I guess my dream of "team tombot" will have to wait another year.

jblay

17-04-2011 12:37

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StuyPulse is back on Galileo for the third straight time. How does it always happen that it is the most stacked division? I guess its difficult to satisfy the awesomeness quota for such an awesome division so they have to fill with an insane amount of awesome teams. Does anyone know who the MC and announcers are for Galileo this year? I hope its Blair and Andy Grady like in the last few years, they are both so good.

tr6scott

17-04-2011 14:47

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1053599)

The criminally underrated 2137, 341, 973, and 1771 are part of a very large upper middle tier.

shhhhh we like being underrated. :)

Travis Hoffman

18-04-2011 17:46

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Welcome to Galileo, Team 188!

PriyankP

18-04-2011 18:36

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Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1054165)

Welcome to Galileo, Team 188!

Thanks and good to be on Galileo for the second straight year! :)

Felt pretty awesome when our teacher told us we made it.

Mr. Lim

18-04-2011 18:58

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Wow, with 188, 1114, 1305, and 1334 all in Galileo, I'm nervous just from the Canadian content in this division. Never mind having to deal with the best the rest of the world has to offer. Dealing with these 4 will be a task in of itself :ahh:.

Jessica Boucher

18-04-2011 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1053764)

Does anyone know who the MC and announcers are for Galileo this year? I hope its Blair and Andy Grady like in the last few years, they are both so good.

Maybe. Maybe not. Everything is still being finalized.

I did order my annual "Galileo Volunteer Game" pieces today. Last year, the ball return was a great volleyball net, but this year took some creativity.

V_Chip

18-04-2011 20:09

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Buzz will be in attendance. Change of scenery from Curie.

Looks fun.

JackN

18-04-2011 22:05

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Wow, what an awesome division. I will be down there on Galileo helping Team 70 with scouting and strategy and needless to say I pumped to work with all of these great teams.

A little scene setting for what we can look forward to out on the Galileo field next weekend. Starting off we have Hall of Fame teams like 254, 175, 341 and 111. In addition to the Hall of Famers we have two different two-time world champions 111 and 294. Four one time world champions in 1114, 469, 48, 173 and six other previous Einstein Competitors 254, 341, 292, 175, 1218, and 195 help comprise what is one of the most experienced and decorated divisions in FIRST history. Throw in teams like 40, 359, 1771, 70, 548, 2337, 1985, 399 and 2137 all with blue banners this year and looking to prove themselves among the FIRST elite with an Einstein birth and you have a division that will be filled with tense and hard fought matches from all 8 of the alliances Saturday.

Needless to say the world champs are coming out of Galileo and hopefully team 70 will get a chance to play with some of the awesome teams.

JesseK

19-04-2011 08:41

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Scouting this division will be like a dream. I seriously doubt we'll have 2 dull matches in a row. Not only do we all get a front seat to watching THE top-notch teams compete, we get to compete among them!

Hopefully the upgrades we're making will take the bot from a slow, reliable tube scorer to a more robust bot so we can be closer to the level of the power houses in this division.

Good luck to all!

ks_mumupsi

19-04-2011 08:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JackN (Post 1054306)

Needless to say the world champs are coming out of Galileo

Last year reminds us all of a stark reminder on this statement.. I think some of the best teams from this years competitions are in galileo and im going to try and watch some matches but einstein is a whole different ball game :)

only one week to go!!!

Jared Russell

19-04-2011 10:09

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Originally Posted by JackN (Post 1054306)

Needless to say the world champs are coming out of Galileo...

And I would wager the Chairman's Award Winner as well.

Mike Soukup

19-04-2011 13:37

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1053764)

Does anyone know who the MC and announcers are for Galileo this year? I hope its Blair and Andy Grady like in the last few years, they are both so good.

Since Andy's one of my favorite announcers, I would really like to have him on Galileo, but it probably won't happen. For as long as he's been announcing at Championship, Dan Green has been on our field.

Cory	19-04-2011 16:09

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Originally Posted by Mike Soukup (Post 1054481)

Last year Mark Leon switched from his normal field (Curie) to be on Archimedes with us. I would not be surprised if he ended up on Galileo this year in addition to Dan.

Boydean

19-04-2011 16:25

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Super excited to be volunteering this year on Galileo again. Last year was awesome, and it looks like the teams will prove that this year is going to be a joy to watch the field.

SGK	21-04-2011 12:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by V_Chip (Post 1054234)

Buzz will be in attendance. Change of scenery from Curie.

Looks fun.

We just cancelled your plane ticket. Found a better human player to go!!
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

Karibou

21-04-2011 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boydean (Post 1054525)

Super excited to be volunteering this year on Galileo again. Last year was awesome, and it looks like the teams will prove that this year is going to be a joy to watch the field.

Did I see a few weeks ago on Twitter that you're also on field reset? Regardless, it'll be nice to finally get to meet you!

Geez, this thread is quiet. GALI-

remulasce

21-04-2011 19:40

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LEO!

jblay

21-04-2011 19:41

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1055301)

Geez, this thread is quiet. GALI-

LEO!!!

That's as load as I can be

remulasce

21-04-2011 19:42

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Man, I got shown up.

Bjenks548

21-04-2011 21:35

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From the latest Bill's Blog post. I think Galileo also has the best pit area! Not as far as Archenemies but not in the middle of the pit fields like Newton and Curie. We also have the Pit Admin right in the middle! Should be a great division, looking forward to sharing a pit with our sister team Thunder Down Under! Good luck to all teams!

FirstFan2011

22-04-2011 11:49

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I saw team 967 paired with 525 in Minneapolis. They might be a player in this division.

Clinton Bolinger

22-04-2011 22:58

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Team 2337 is excited to be on Galileo with some of the best teams in FIRST.

See you all in St. Louis.

-Clinton-

SuzyQ.42

22-04-2011 23:17

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This is going to be fun. Looking forward to competing with such awesome teams!

Phoenix Spud

23-04-2011 02:39

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3132 will be in Galileo for the second year in a row!

Galileo might become known as the "Aussie Division!" :ahh:

Joe Ross

23-04-2011 13:08

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Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (all 148 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest opr at any event for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

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Team        OPR        Avg Rnk        Med Rnk        Mod Rnk        SD Rnk        Max Rnk        Min Rnk        #1 seed        Top 8        Avg QP        Med QP        Mode QP        StdevQP        Max QP        Min QP

111        73.92        5.68        4        1        6.6        43        1        31        81        17.57        18        18        2.15        20        10

1114        71.88        5.96        3        2        7.0        36        1        15        83        17.48        18        18        2.27        20        10

254        71.59        5.39        3.5        2        4.9        25        1        16        82        17.55        18        18        2.01        20        12

48        56.18        15.94        12        16        13.8        66        1        6        39        14.78        15        16        3.11        20        6

341        55.71        11.31        8        3        9.2        42        1        4        52        15.79        16        16        2.54        20        10

1985        55.65        12.14        8        7        10.9        53        1        5        53        15.71        16        18        2.68        20        8

2137        53.35        15.44        13        9        10.7        50        1        2        26        14.75        16        16        2.46        20        8

359        51.85        16.46        11.5        10        13.8        66        1        5        34        14.79        16        16        3.17        20        6

967        50.98        17.16        15        10        12.2        50        1        4        29        14.54        14        16        2.99        20        8

469        50.56        18.29        14.5        13        12.3        52        1        3        23        14.15        14        14        2.72        20        8

935        47.66        17.78        16        24        11.2        65        1        1        22        14.19        14        16        2.52        18        6

399        45.99        21.9        17        12        14.9        66        2        0        17        13.53        14        14        2.90        18        6

294        45.80        19.24        16        11        12.3        57        2        0        18        14.03        14        14        2.69        20        8

1218        45.52        21.73        19.5        27        13.0        59        2        0        15        13.46        14        14        2.76        20        7

63        45.52        20.55        18        12        14.1        66        1        1        20        13.93        14        16        2.85        20        7

973        43.66        22.93        19.5        19        14.5        66        2        0        14        13.37        14        14        2.91        20        6

610        42.84        25.36        24        27        15.5        67        2        0        13        12.91        12.5        12        3.00        20        6

2337        42.48        25.93        24.5        9        16.7        69        1        2        15        12.85        13        14        3.22        20        6

1056        42.46        24.56        22        40        15.0        65        2        0        14        13.12        14        14        3.02        20        6

548        42.42        24.7        23.5        15        13.9        67        1        1        10        13.12        13        14        2.80        20        6

40        40.63        23.91        21        12        16.5        77        2        0        16        13.17        14        12        3.18        20        4

1425        38.44        26.66        25        13        15.5        81        3        0        12        12.72        12        12        2.92        18        4

1868        37.73        27.74        23        22        17.3        83        1        2        9        12.54        14        14        3.29        20        4

1885        37.59        28.43        26        39        16.1        68        4        0        7        12.4        12        12        2.91        18        6

395        37.48        32.4        29        29        18.9        80        3        0        13        11.73        12        12        3.45        18        4

1771        36.86        28.8        28        21        16.3        74        3        0        12        12.34        12        14        3.12        20        5

1334        36.82        30        26        23        17.6        86        2        0        5        12.21        12        14        3.32        20        2

694        36.60        29.14        27        18        14.9        64        4        0        10        12.29        12        14        2.82        18        6

195        35.83        29.09        28.5        38        14.6        80        2        0        5        12.26        12        12        2.78        20        4

175        35.26        33.55        32.5        53        17.6        80        5        0        6        11.52        12        10        3.16        18        4

1086        34.92        31.78        33        27        17.1        70        2        0        12        11.91        12        10        3.27        20        6

292        33.35        34.93        33        31        15.6        77        8        0        1        11.36        12        12        2.87        18        4

230        32.28        35.27        31.5        27        18.5        85        2        0        4        11.27        12        12        3.43        20        2

1714        32.14        34.46        30.5        28        17.0        85        4        0        2        11.34        12        12        3.01        18        2

70        31.59        36.92        37        40        15.9        76        1        1        1        10.88        11        12        2.86        20        4

1197        31.29        35.07        34.5        30        17.3        79        3        0        2        11.24        12        12        3.05        18        4

1098        31.01        37.47        35        41        18.2        80        2        0        4        10.87        12        12        3.19        18        4

476        30.34        36.13        34        12        17.7        85        5        0        3        11.23        12        12        3.24        18        2

1429        30.08        34.33        31        39        17.3        82        1        1        2        11.41        12        12        3.15        20        4

295        28.86        36.33        36        36        17.6        84        2        0        4        11.21        11.5        12        3.29        20        2

188        27.99        42.66        42        53        16.6        84        7        0        2        10.04        10        10        3.03        18        2

1305        26.52        40.01        38.5        34        17.7        86        3        0        4        10.54        10        10        3.17        18        2

3824        25.86        42.17        42        32        18.1        87        8        0        1        10.24        10        12        3.24        18        2

93        24.95        41.87        38.5        28        17.0        81        9        0        0        10.21        10        12        2.76        16        4

281        23.85        45.87        46.5        56        16.6        82        12        0        0        9.58        10        8        2.74        15        4

173        20.05        48.08        47        47        16.1        85        12        0        0        9.33        10        10        2.79        16        2

3393        18.41        50.99        54.5        58        18.4        85        11        0        0        8.95        8        8        3.11        16        2

1816        15.60        49.97        50.5        54        17.6        87        13        0        0        9.16        9        8        2.87        16        3

2073        15.60        56.9        59        68        17.1        85        20        0        0        8.01        8        6        2.93        14        2

433        15.45        54.66        55.5        65        17.3        86        18        0        0        8.26        8        8        2.98        15        2

2199        13.01        58.04        58        47        16.7        88        13        0        0        7.79        8        10        2.96        15        0

3504        12.07        60.58        61        67        15.9        88        11        0        0        7.32        8        8        2.76        16        2

3464        12.05        58.33        58        48        17.1        87        15        0        0        7.7        8        8        3.01        14        1

3487        11.86        57.24        58        69        17.9        87        11        0        0        7.94        8        10        3.08        16        2

2472        11.78        59.98        62        79        18.4        88        13        0        0        7.4        7.5        6        3.22        16        0

3729        11.63        60.49        60        78        16.5        88        17        0        0        7.29        8        8        3.11        14        0

2607        11.30        63.5        64.5        78        15.4        88        22        0        0        6.94        7        8        2.76        14        0

1099        11.01        56.64        58        78        16.3        87        11        0        0        8.14        8        8        2.80        16        0

1188        10.75        59.63        60.5        60        18.7        87        4        0        1        7.57        8        10        3.32        18        2

1094        10.12        60.57        60        60        16.8        87        21        0        0        7.46        8        10        2.99        14        1

1646        10.09        57.44        58        68        16.4        87        18        0        0        8.03        8        6        2.84        14        0

1522        10.08        60.15        62        62        17.1        88        15        0        0        7.49        8        8        3.11        14        0

884        9.71        57.12        59        49        17.5        88        11        0        0        8.01        8        8        3.04        16        2

3574        7.34        61.13        64        73        19.6        88        8        0        1        7.31        8        8        3.52        18        0

1557        7.12        63.29        64        83        14.3        87        16        0        0        7.05        7        6        2.62        15        2

3374        6.79        59.68        60        66        17.3        87        21        0        0        7.53        8        8        3.10        14        2

357        6.68        62.17        64        71        15.4        88        16        0        0        7.14        7.5        8        2.74        14        0

751        6.64        64.79        68        74        17.7        88        19        0        0        6.71        6        6        3.24        14        0

1266        6.52        62.73        66.5        69        18.2        88        4        0        1        7.13        6        6        3.35        18        0

1706        6.21        63.02        65        81        17.1        88        12        0        0        7.12        8        6        3.11        16        0

3711        5.99        64.35        67.5        62        17.1        88        15        0        0        6.77        6        6        3.23        16        0

1288        5.75        62.41        65        36        17.4        88        22        0        0        7.1        6.5        6        3.17        13        0

159        5.24        67.09        70.5        88        17.2        88        15        0        0        6.31        6        6        3.19        15        0

1444        5.14        65.92        68        61        15.2        88        23        0        0        6.67        6        6        2.88        14        0

3397        4.82        67.17        69.5        73        14.8        88        15        0        0        6.37        6        6        2.77        16        0

3645        4.38        67.01        69.5        72        14.0        88        34        0        0        6.43        6        6        2.60        12        2

3588        3.72        66.94        71        81        15.6        88        32        0        0        6.49        6        8        2.88        12        0

329        3.56        69.34        72        72        14.5        88        35        0        0        5.99        6        6        2.90        12        0

3526        3.02        66.54        70        54        16.6        88        16        0        0        6.48        6        6        3.10        14        0

999        2.87        68.78        71        70        14.0        88        32        0        0        6.17        6        6        2.68        12        0

3528        2.79        69.08        72.5        85        13.9        88        31        0        0        6.04        6        6        2.67        12        0

3527        1.59        69.66        73        84        14.1        88        24        0        0        6.01        6        6        2.71        13        0

3466        0.36        72.22        77        88        14.5        88        25        0        0        5.51        5.5        4        2.83        14        0

1212        -0.45        72.58        75.5        86        12.9        88        42        0        0        5.43        6        6        2.68        10        0

3132        -0.65        72.83        75.5        85        12.5        88        34        0        0        5.57        6        6        2.48        12        0

1700        -2.74        76.83        78.5        87        10.2        88        46        0        0        4.86        4        6        2.32        10        0

151        -4.18        72.66        76.5        88        12.9        88        33        0        0        5.65        6        4        2.65        12        0

3750        -5.61        74.03        77        88        13.1        88        31        0        0        5.24        6        6        2.83        12        0

Travis Hoffman

23-04-2011 14:55

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1055849)

Thanks, Joe.

And here, I thought it was just me when I got the impression we got horrible CMP match schedules every year. Gives me really warm fuzzies that you're using the actual match pairing algorithm, and it tends to derate us relative to those with similar OPR inputs after dozens of schedule runs..... :rolleyes:

Makes one wonder if there's a low team number handicap somehow inherent within the algorithm...a greater tendency to be paired with higher numbered teams...vestiges of the AOD...who knows!

The Lucas

23-04-2011 19:17

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1055875)

Makes one wonder if there's a low team number handicap somehow inherent within the algorithm...a greater tendency to be paired with higher numbered teams...vestiges of the AOD...who knows!

Maybe only if (team_number == 48) :p Teams 63 and 40 seem to do a bit better than those with similar OPR.

If there is a such thing as scheduler karma, then the question is what did you do? :D

Travis Hoffman

23-04-2011 19:37

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Oh, you know us...kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and all. :rolleyes:

Steve W

23-04-2011 21:21

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1055942)

Oh, you know us...kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and all. :rolleyes:

Leave my candy alone!!!!

JennaBrown

25-04-2011 18:12

2011 Galileo Division and MOEbile Pit!

To start I would like to congratulate all of the teams who are coming to nationals in St. Louis! All of your hard work and dedication is paying off!
Like any other competition there are some things that are bound to happen. Programs aren't going to run right, things will break, and countless of other things could go wrong (knock on wood!). But have no fear, MOEbile Pit will be there! For years MOE 365 has run a successful "mobile pit" which consists of a team of students that helps other teams with any problems that they encounter. But this year we are stepping into the 21st century with the help of Twitter! If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

JesseK

26-04-2011 11:38

Re: 2011 Galileo Division and MOEbile Pit!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JennaBrown (Post 1056459)

If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

This ... is an incredible idea that has many different avenues it can expand to. I'll work some stuff up on the plane ride over and come talk to you guys! Just ... wow!

martin417

26-04-2011 12:22

Re: 2011 Galileo Division and MOEbile Pit!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JennaBrown (Post 1056459)

Thanks, we may take you up on the offer! We decided not to pull a trailer this year, so we will have a VERY limited pit (we are not bringing decorations, trophies, banners etc. We even left the bottom half of our toolbox). We may prevail upon you guys to borrow tools etc. We only have five kids attending too, so things will interesting.

Racer26

28-04-2011 13:50

Re: 2011 Galileo Division and MOEbile Pit!

9:57 AM Q141 1114/254/1706 v 3711/1197/329

Preview of elimination alliance?

AnibaS

28-04-2011 14:22

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Galileo seems to be the only field without a match schedule up yet.

Racer26

28-04-2011 14:24

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

It was up more than half an hour ago when I posted that.

Mark McLeod

28-04-2011 14:46

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

You can find it under Match Results.

Interestingly enough it already has the Elimination round results posted...

JamesBrown

28-04-2011 15:27

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1057260)

You can find it under Match Results.

Interestingly enough it already has the Elimination round results posted...

Yeah, rough for 1114 and 254 neither got picked

Some matches that should be high scoring (based on Total Alliance OPR)

#27 Blue Alliance OPR 145.67
#37 Red Alliance OPR 153.8 (Blue has an OPR of 115 this is the highest 6 robot OPR on Galileo)
#56 Red Alliance 157.98
#83 Red Alliance 166.19 (Highest alliance OPR)
#85 Red Alliance 146.91
#128 Blue Alliance 145.3
#131 Blue Alliance 159.38
#141 Red Alliance 149.68

JamesBrown

28-04-2011 15:59

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Since Ian did it for the other divisions

Match Number, Red alliance OPR, Blue Alliance OPR, then Difference (Red-Blue)

Code:

1        39.79        120.71        -80.92

2        3.93        22.08        -18.15

3        108.24        113.59        -5.35

4        90.51        66.77        23.74

5        28.17        62.54        -34.37

6        122.25        76.79        45.46

7        62.02        104.79        -42.77

8        51.77        142.88        -91.11

9        49.23        87.96        -38.73

10        99.66        57.97        41.69

11        112.51        26.11        86.4

12        58.23        35.85        22.38

13        103.46        45.5        57.96

14        131.43        93.29        38.14

15        15.65        74.46        -58.81

16        10.29        111.12        -100.83

17        97.72        45.42        52.3

18        80.14        73.92        6.22

19        108.22        127.15        -18.93

20        61.41        58.89        2.52

21        108.78        49.16        59.62

22        83.54        42.95        40.59

23        45.8        108.68        -62.88

24        40.33        63.55        -23.22

25        57.41        84.75        -27.34

26        44.84        112.5        -67.66

27        54.24        145.67        -91.43

28        46.14        41.39        4.75

29        121.36        64.32        57.04

30        115.68        50.02        65.66

31        19.03        53.69        -34.66

32        66.4        103.96        -37.56

33        83.71        82.48        1.23

34        53.48        67.83        -14.35

35        8.66        64.8        -56.14

36        56.96        90.29        -33.33

37        153.86        115.04        38.82

38        83.21        55.64        27.57

39        92.36        14.91        77.45

40        85.63        112.06        -26.43

41        95.35        8.39        86.96

42        120.42        72.31        48.11

43        30.5        104.65        -74.15

44        91.89        52.24        39.65

45        73.76        55.51        18.25

46        34.85        115.92        -81.07

47        98.7        122.53        -23.83

48        66.67        14.13        52.54

49        36.06        52.69        -16.63

50        19.64        80.97        -61.33

51        15.77        106.36        -90.59

52        111.87        80.11        31.76

53        31.46        122.23        -90.77

54        32.62        76.04        -43.42

55        90.56        85.88        4.68

56        157.98        76.87        81.11

57        17.8        95.77        -77.97

58        75.71        130.37        -54.66

59        41.49        52.74        -11.25

60        82.46        69.56        12.9

61        107.69        48.48        59.21

62        122.32        116.73        5.59

63        62.47        76.54        -14.07

64        33.32        56.9        -23.58

65        85        50.59        34.41

66        49.23        67.11        -17.88

67        76.02        70.11        5.91

68        70.65        55.5        15.15

69        57.72        52.12        5.6

70        69.58        63.26        6.32

71        133.67        109.57        24.1

72        67.71        61.08        6.63

73        72.9        134.43        -61.53

74        34.63        49.25        -14.62

75        96.38        91.03        5.35

76        43.04        23.7        19.34

77        82.61        58.21        24.4

78        37.74        91.31        -53.57

79        76.88        10.46        66.42

80        85.82        117.08        -31.26

81        138.28        25.96        112.32

82        49.28        24        25.28

83        166.19        21.59        144.6

84        98.3        121.72        -23.42

85        146.91        120.08        26.83

86        48.29        68.17        -19.88

87        109.29        49.26        60.03

88        98.25        23.79        74.46

89        74.28        8.53        65.75

90        119.92        60.09        59.83

91        52.45        89.12        -36.67

92        110.13        73.17        36.96

93        82.46        87.07        -4.61

94        81.01        78        3.01

95        22.96        62.98        -40.02

96        89.12        67.87        21.25

97        52.92        83.41        -30.49

98        73.14        43.69        29.45

99        95.17        92.6        2.57

100        56.37        98.36        -41.99

101        111.95        67        44.95

102        59.42        128.01        -68.59

103        73.33        56.7        16.63

104        58.08        74.82        -16.74

105        32.34        142.77        -110.43

106        79.5        75.26        4.24

107        71.24        28.21        43.03

108        79.3        22.08        57.22

109        112.18        96.91        15.27

110        133.19        33.69        99.5

111        119.05        47.82        71.23

112        59.1        63.28        -4.18

113        124.15        78.86        45.29

114        52.26        50.24        2.02

115        35.67        106.87        -71.2

116        107.1        86.25        20.85

117        20.61        80.61        -60

118        93.63        42.47        51.16

119        78.61        36.37        42.24

120        66.52        54.83        11.69

121        122.83        79.26        43.57

122        94.34        75.87        18.47

123        36.26        49.02        -12.76

124        129.05        50.65        78.4

125        60.86        68.01        -7.15

126        124.67        74.3        50.37

127        12.68        68.23        -55.55

128        59.91        145.3        -85.39

129        97.7        24.62        73.08

130        35.63        79.28        -43.65

131        76.94        159.58        -82.64

132        51.98        31.21        20.77

133        50.18        93.19        -43.01

134        84.5        84.57        -0.07

135        79.97        91.88        -11.91

136        19.55        71.06        -51.51

137        108.78        90.22        18.56

138        53.09        53.77        -0.68

139        61.11        53.95        7.16

140        48.51        104.74        -56.23

141        149.68        40.84        108.84

142        97.08        43.24        53.84

143        85.76        14.68        71.08

144        34.29        65.93        -31.64

145        113.23        109.78        3.45

146        46.87        94.1        -47.23

147        52.44        83.5        -31.06

Haha, first match to be tweeted after I posted this was match 19 predicted 108-127 actual 107-126, obviously it isnt usually that close but I was shocked.

Mark McLeod

28-04-2011 16:07

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 1057267)

Haha, first match to be tweeted after I posted this was match 19 predicted 108-127 actual 107-126, obviously it isnt usually that close but I was shocked.

So cool!
I love math...:)

Ian Curtis

28-04-2011 16:13

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1057270)

So cool!
I love math...:)

Yeah... OPR is 18/19 predicting the winner on Curie. :eek:

JamesBrown

28-04-2011 16:15

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis (Post 1057272)

Yeah... OPR is 18/19 predicting the winner on Curie. :eek:

15/20 on Galileo.

Ian Curtis

28-04-2011 16:23

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

For your amusement, here are the predicted top 8 (no surrogates affecting these).

Team #, OPR, QS, RS

Code:

254        71.59        20        649.31

1114        71.88        18        696.43

294        45.8        18        622.38

2137        53.35        18        618.73

1771        36.86        18        607.84

469        50.56        16        722

111        73.92        16        674.89

341        55.71        16        651.55

kendalls

28-04-2011 17:57

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis (Post 1057275)

For your amusement, here are the predicted top 8 (no surrogates affecting these).
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More for my amusement than anything else I created an OPR match predictor for the Galileo division. It can be modded for any of the other divisions (or for any tournament for that matter), but it isn't super easy. I posted it here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?&t=94888. My spreadsheet also allows you to enter in the actual match results, so it'll get more accurate as more and more matches are played.

nikeairmancurry

28-04-2011 22:27

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

A full rack on this field... Congrats 469/254/195.... Too bad on the uber tube part

Warlord

28-04-2011 23:06

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 1057263)

Some matches that should be high scoring (based on Total Alliance OPR)
...
#56 Red Alliance 157.98
...

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1057337)

A full rack on this field... Congrats 469/254/195.... Too bad on the uber tube part

Heh, turned out that prediction was pretty accurate. Very impressive to watch that wall of tubes get built, and with 20 seconds to spare!

Anyone got a video of that match? We're trying to figure out who scored the most tubes, we think 195 scored 7 or so of them.

Karibou

29-04-2011 00:53

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Galileo, you guys have been great on and off the field. Hopefully tomorrow will go just as smoothly, even with the change of field.

However, our refs have gotten really good at catching the tubes that are flying at them and the table...did anyone see when the green-red-blue light got capped earlier? :p

Bryany

29-04-2011 06:21

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warlord (Post 1057348)

Anyone got a video of that match? We're trying to figure out who scored the most tubes, we think 195 scored 7 or so of them.

We were queued up behind Red when that match took place. It seemed like 254 was doing a lot of the scoring, but I didn't really keep track. Our team is capturing the live camera feed, and will probably post the videos once all is over. Of course, that doesn't help much now.:rolleyes:

Tom Bottiglieri

29-04-2011 07:21

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warlord (Post 1057348)

195 did 7. 469 did 6. 254 did 5. 469 and 254 minibotted.

Brandon Holley

29-04-2011 09:09

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 1057409)

195 did 7. 469 did 6. 254 did 5. 469 and 254 minibotted.

While 195 spun in a circle at mid-field...

-Brando

Racer26

29-04-2011 12:45

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

What happened to 1114 in match Q71?

Thats the second match they've lost all year, the first one was way back in wk 2 at Pittsburgh, and was only by 13 pts. This one they lost by 69.

ervtech

29-04-2011 13:37

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

the same thing that happened in 2009 ;)

1218 remains a force to be reckoned with, especially when paired with 469

Lil' Lavery

29-04-2011 13:48

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by ervtech (Post 1057456)

the same thing that happened in 2009 ;)

1218 remains a force to be reckoned with, especially when paired with 469

A lot of teams look really good when they're paired with 469. ;)

To be fair, 1218 has already handed both 1114 and 111 losses. Quite a start for you guys.

ervtech

29-04-2011 13:55

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

I wish i was there so badly, i was on the drive team in 2009 when we went to Einstein but unfortunately i graduated last year and have turned it over to my little brother. He is not doing too bad of a job though i have to say. We have a pretty good history when paired with 469 and also when we go against 1114. In the matches we have played against them as far back as i can remember we are 3-1.

AndyH

29-04-2011 13:59

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

We were with 1114 in Q 71. It wasn't their fault AT ALL. We (1098) were really hoping to be great alliance partners for them. Instead, our main breaker failed and we were dead after the first 2 seconds. (It had been hit by a bot in a previous match, but we didn't realize it was hurt.) We feel terrible!! We did get it fixed, and our next match was actually the new high score on Galileo. That doesn't help 1114, though. You can imagine how the kids are beating themselves up about that loss. Our sincere apologies to both of our alliance partners. Good luck for the rest of the competition. We are rooting for you!

The opposing alliance was also fantastic! Congrats to you!

JesseK

29-04-2011 21:36

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Going into Q71, we went in that match knowing our overall alliances were evenly matched in stats other than OPR (thank you scouts!). Tubes hung, autos completed, and top 2 minibots were both about dead-even. Everyone has that one bad match every now and then though. It does show that any number of things can happen at the champs. While we did our part with 1 logo and a tiny defensive nudge at the end, 469/1218 put on a good show.

There's a good assortment of teams on Galileo. Some teams are outstanding at placing tubes (3 teams have placed 45+ tubes in 8-9 matches), some have good auto-modes (1 team has put up 10 ubertubes in 8 matches), and some teams have good, consistent minibots (NONE have a perfect record ... though I admit there is a chance we missed one due to fatigue). Yet surprisingly, those three game objectives are somewhat mutually exclusive. According to our scouts' data, there are only 2 teams that are outstanding at all three objectives, whereas there are many teams that are GREAT at one and good at another.

Reliability in auton and minibot hasn't been quite where we'd expect it. Only 7 teams have a >78% autonomous reliability and only 8 teams have a >78% minibot reliability. Those two stats are mutually exclusive for the most part.

JVN is wise indeed.

RMiller

29-04-2011 23:14

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1057506)

Reliability in auton and minibot hasn't been quite where we'd expect it. Only 7 teams have a >78% autonomous reliability and only 8 teams have a >78% minibot reliability. Those two stats are mutually exclusive for the most part.

Jesse, one question: if I understand you correctly, a team with 7/9 (77.7%) for these two measures is not counted, correct?

If this is not correct and 7/9 is counted, how much does it change when dropping to 75% (6/8) as the cutoff? I ask because about half the teams have yet to complete their 9th match.

JesseK

29-04-2011 23:37

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Didn't realize about the 8/9 match thing at the time -- I simply counted the # of teams who have hung 7+ tubes, and assumed an average of 9 matches played. Using a correction from 1094's Galileo scouting paper, it appears that about half have played 8, half have played 9; I also took the opportunity to correct 2 teams' auto modes, and now get 8 teams with 7+ ubertubes. Yet I also have circled teams who've hung 1 in the last 5 straight auto modes and that # is 7, so I figure I'm not too far off. Even if it's 10-15, it seems low for what we should see at the championships -- especially for an autonomous mode that's nearly identical (if not easier) than what we saw 4 years ago.

RMiller

30-04-2011 00:05

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Hmm... looking at the data from 1094, I see the following:
254 and 1114 averaging for than one ubertube (2 teams).
548, 2137, averaging one ubertube (2 teams).
111, 610, 357, 40, 1885, 2337, 967, 1218, and 230 missing once (9 teams - four of whom have only played eight matches).

The other assumption is that we are only interested at this point in top row ubertubes.

I am not present at the competition, so all I have to go on are other's reports.

Lil' Lavery

30-04-2011 00:26

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1057534)

Didn't realize about the 8/9 match thing at the time -- I simply counted the # of teams who have hung 7+ tubes, and assumed an average of 9 matches played. Using a correction from 1094's Galileo scouting paper, it appears that about half have played 8, half have played 9; I also took the opportunity to correct 2 teams' auto modes, and now get 8 teams with 7+ ubertubes. Yet I also have circled teams who've hung 1 in the last 5 straight auto modes and that # is 7, so I figure I'm not too far off. Even if it's 10-15, it seems low for what we should see at the championships -- especially for an autonomous mode that's nearly identical (if not easier) than what we saw 4 years ago.

2011 is absolutely easier than 2007 in terms of scoring in autonomous. And this is coming from someone who scored in autonomous in 2007 and not in 2011.

2007's goal would be re-oriented randomly, with three axes of freedom, before each match and had only one viable sensing option, which was a someone difficult to use camera tracking. Not to mention the scoring rack itself would shake when contacted by a robot. Dead reckoning autonomous codes would sometimes work, but were very low%. 2011 has a stationary target, no opponent interference (there were teams that would bumrush the other side of the field in auto in 07), and multiple sensing options.

RMiller

30-04-2011 00:41

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1057548)

2010 is absolutely easier than 2007 in terms of scoring in autonomous. And this is coming from someone who scored in autonomous in 2007 and not in 2010.

2007's goal would be re-oriented randomly, with three axes of freedom, before each match and had only one viable sensing option, which was a someone difficult to use camera tracking. Not to mention the scoring rack itself would shake when contacted by a robot. Dead reckoning autonomous codes would sometimes work, but were very low%. 2010 has a stationary target, no opponent interference (there were teams that would bumrush the other side of the field in auto in 07), and multiple sensing options.

I agree with you Sean, though I have seen some opponent interference. I am actually surprised it isn't used more often, particularly against teams that can score twice in autonomous.

Lil' Lavery

30-04-2011 11:57

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Scenario:
1771 - 1st
111 - 9th
1114- 10th

I haven't watched enough of 1771 to get a feel for how 1114 feels about them. 1114's goal is clearly to win it all, and if they feel they can build a better alliance from the 7th or 8th spot, they could decline. Suppose that 111 is then picked next (or other picks before them decline). If I'm Raul, maybe I say "no" just because I feel that 1114 might be left in the 9th or 10th spot when all is said and done, and entirely out of the eliminations.

Could be really really interesting.

Though I doubt 1114 says no knowing this risk.

Marc P.

30-04-2011 12:10

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Galileo Alliances

1. 1771, 1114, 294
2. 254, 111, 973
3. 399, 40, 175
4. 469, 610, 188
5. 694, 195, 341
6. 2337, 548, 70
7. 2137, 967, 935
8. 1706, 1056, 1218

jblay

01-05-2011 17:46

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

I wanted to get this out there before I went to sleep for the next 20 ours.
http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...pdate%2016.pdf
It seemed like the refs on galileo missed this update entirely when they made their ruling on the first match of the finals. Overall the referring seemed sub par on galileo and it might just be me being upset about some of the questionable calls against us in the eliminations but this rule seems to clearly state the opposite of the ruling in the first match of the finals.

Nemo	01-05-2011 17:59

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1057793)

The thing is, 469 had a tube while they were pushing 254 into their zone. That leaves at least three possible motives:

1) Trying to get the tube in to score.
2) Playing defense on 254.
3) Attempting the 'one move win.'

All three are pretty plausible. I don't think one can so quickly say that the refs did a bad job on this call. The "G61 does not apply" update and the updates to the update are poorly conceived, because the refs have to guess the motives of the drivers in addition to observing what happens on the field. The rules put the refs in a pretty tough spot on this one. I personally wouldn't fault the refs for calling this one in either team's favor.

jblay

01-05-2011 18:05

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1057804)

So does that mean if my bot is holding a tube I can pull off the one move win and have a god strategy in eliminations? Seems like the entire purpose of the rule is to prevent any way of making a one move win. The rule states that an attempt to do this will be seen as "egregious behavior" instantly which means that intent should not matter.

Dr.Bot

01-05-2011 18:54

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

I saw most of this match on streaming and it seemed a sure win for the 254 allianc - then I lost the feed, When it came back I just caught the end of the explanation of the ruling disqualifying - giving a red card and zeroing out the score. It certainly didn't make sense. Getting disqualified because someone pushed you into a position when you are powerless to defend yourself? I thought a red card meant you were disqualified from playing the rest of the day. That would of been something!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1057793)

Karibou

01-05-2011 21:34

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1057793)

I'm sure that Aidan Browne didn't miss that update. He, our head ref, and the rest of the referees spent several minutes discussing it before coming to the decision. Given that we don't know what was going on in the minds of the two drive teams, there was likely some slight guesswork involved regarding motive. I believe that student representatives from both 254 and 469 were also given a very specific explanation of the ruling.

That ruling wasn't going to make everyone happy regardless of the outcome.

jblay

01-05-2011 21:42

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1057902)

But I can't figure any interpretation of the rule where the penalty should be called that way. Either the one move win didn't happen and the poofs shouldn't have been carded or it did happen and the ones that should have been carded was the other alliance. In no scenario that I can see should the poofs take a red card like they did.

Steve W

01-05-2011 22:34

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

<G32> Neither ROBOTS, HOSTBOTS, nor MINIBOTS may break the planes of the vertically
projected borders of the opponent‟s ZONES, including a GAME PIECE in their POSSESSION.
Momentary incursions by a POSSESSED GAME PIECE will not be penalized if they do not
make contact with anything in the ZONE.
Violation: PENALTY. G61 does not apply to this rule, however strategies aimed at taking
advantage of this exception will result in a PENALTY plus a YELLOW CARD. If a ROBOT
enters the opponent's ZONE and does not make immediate effort to leave OR if it contacts
another ROBOT (or GAME PIECE in its POSSESSION) also in the ZONE, then the intruding
TEAM will receive a RED CARD

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

Red highlight is mine. The intent of the rule is obvious. I was standing at the side of the field and made the comment at the time that it would be a red card. The blue alliance robot made no attempt to get out of the way of the scoring robot, the red robot went directly to the wal and scored, the blue robot continually drove straight ahead into the red robot without reversing at all to get out of the way.

If the red team did not have a tube and did not drive directly to the wall and score then I do not believe the penalty would have been the same.

jblay

01-05-2011 22:57

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve W (Post 1057935)

Yes but the update is making an exception for G32 in the elimination rounds with this update which seems to be the entire point of the update.

A blue ALLIANCE ROBOT is in the blue ZONE. A second blue ALLIANCE ROBOT is outside the
ZONE, but in the general vicinity. A ROBOT from the red ALLIANCE, exiting its LANE, crosses near
the second blue alliance ROBOT. The second blue ALLIANCE ROBOT intentionally pushes the red
ALLIANCE ROBOT in to the blue ZONE. The red ALLIANCE ROBOT contacts the first blue
ALLIANCE ROBOT. This would result normally result in a YELLOW CARD for the second blue
ALLIANCE ROBOT and a RED CARD for the red ALLIANCE ROBOT per Rule <G32>. However, if
this were to occur during an elimination match, this would result in the entire red ALLIANCE being
disqualified per Rule <T13>, and a ‘one move win’ by the blue ALLIANCE.

I guess the interpretation could be that because they were going for the hang that it wasn't intentional pushing but its still intentional its just not for the sake of trying to get cards for the other alliance.

Steve W

01-05-2011 23:13

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

<G32> allows ROBOTS to complete HANGING a GAME PIECE, as designed,
without being hindered.

The blue highlight was directly from the latest rule revision and applies to this ruling.

PriyankP

01-05-2011 23:13

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1057906)

I think there is some guesswork involved in this matter. If they called it one move win strategy then that would mean that the GDC has to have another rule for teams who'd just sit dangerously close to the line for the offensive team to push them in, it would result in a red card for the team trying to score. A possibly one move strategy.

I'm not saying that 254 tried the "defensive" one move strategy because they didn't. The replay proves that they got really close to the red zone trying to pick up a square. They hit our robot, tube possessed, and then got into a pushing match with 469, again a robot with a tube in possession. The rules could have been more clear on this. But hey, at the end of the day, it didn't matter. The better alliance won. [and gave us something to be happy about for a while.. ;) ]

--

Anyways, controversies aside. Galileo was simply amazing this year! Great teams with great robots at the first FIRST Champs in St. Louis! This is probably the most dramatic competition 188 has ever attended. We made it in, got our things ready and packed in less than a week; clocked in at 33rd, were picked by a 4th seed and reached the finals by beating the top seeded alliance in two matches! WOW.

469 & 610, you guys were amazing partners. Too bad it didn't work out in the finals but hey, we made it to the finals against all odds! We were beaten by the best alliance at St. Louis who were truly deserving of the division win. Although we couldn't win Galileo, thank you for making this an amazing experience for us. :)

111, 254, 973: :eek: :eek:

251 days 'till the 2012 FRC season!!

Jared Russell

02-05-2011 08:38

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

The very day the "one move win" team update came out, one of our mentors observed that you could still pull it off as long as you had a tube in your possession. Good call by him, and a capstone on a very sloppy season for rules updates and consistent interpretations.

I originally wrote a long winded message outlining each of the questionable calls that I personally observed on Galileo, but there is no point in airing all of that in public. In the end, the best alliance in the division won.

See everybody in the offseason.

Zach O

02-05-2011 22:07

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMiller (Post 1057541)

111, 610, 357, 40, 1885, 2337, 967, 1218, and 230 missing once (9 teams - four of whom have only played eight matches).

We didn't miss a single ubertube. Actually, we ended up successfully running our two tube in our last qualification match.

remulasce

04-05-2011 00:35

Re: 2011 Galileo Division

Anybody have any match videos? I was busy driving during quals and packing the crate for half of elims, I'd really love to see some quality vids of the action.

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