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George A.

15-04-2011 18:23

2011 Archimedes Division

Let's here it Archimedes! Time for a roll call!

http://frclinks.com/e/arc

We got some tough competition, but we also have the BEST chant ever!

ARCHI-

George A.

15-04-2011 18:46

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Plus it should be noted that we get to play all day Saturday in the dome, which is an added point of awesomeness for the division.

Vikesrock

15-04-2011 18:58

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

-MEDES

I'll be reuniting with 2175 at Champs as the drive coach. They're working on making some changes to improve on the performance from Northstar including upgrading to a competitive minibot.

BX MARK

15-04-2011 19:13

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Michigan is definitely well represented in this division!

The Lucas

15-04-2011 19:46

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Since No one has done OPRs for this division are the Highest Event and Avg OPR (hat tip to Travis) for the teams in Archimedes

Code:

Team        High OPR        Event

74        60.7291        SWN

781        60.2154        OH

330        60.0241        CA

2054        58.5124        MI

33        56.7075        GG

118        55.2418        TX

2512        54.6127        MN2

1023        52.8787        WW

3539        48.996        GL

3098        45.6004        WC

2016        45.5644        NJ

876        44.9698        DMN

2984        41.904        NV

177        41.6498        CT

131        38.6893        NH

1629        37.4842        OH

1918        37.4098        GL

931        35.8018        TN

1718        34.8939        GL

2169        34.6839        MN

155        34.3432        MA

190        32.9589        WOR

932        32.7162        KC

229        32.3928        ROC

1323        32.0461        SAC

1477        31.754        TX

191        31.3583        ROC

1510        29.9719        OR

2949        28.1996        IL

846        27.6427        SJ

1690        27.4438        IS

1640        27.3061        PA

537        25.9575        MN2

3494        25.6909        OH

360        25.671        OR

3322        25.0228        WC

2175        23.1686        MN2

701        20.8712        SJ

1622        20.5729        SD

3256        19.1373        SJ

3467        18.5745        NH

3010        16.807        OH

766        16.6641        SAC

45        16.518        IL

503        14.2064        OC

3506        13.6588        NC

1014        12.3701        OH

1065        11.4613        FL

3747        10.9545        DMN

303        10.9292        NJ

2549        10.9186        MN2

1912        10.6102        LA

3337        9.93412        LA

2022        9.45619        IL

435        8.3224        NC

597        8.12634        CA

1899        7.51038        WA

167        7.276        WI

2500        6.90599        DMN

1518        5.95738        ROC

1535        4.73256        WAT

862        4.70049        OC1

930        4.61724        WI

1811        3.37661        NY

3481        3.22194        STX

1000        2.90304        IN

1138        2.72916        NH

2543        2.43051        SD

1547        2.0137        NJ

3462        1.97179        AZ

677        1.66849        OH

203        1.48519        PA

2972        1.42871        CO

771        1.3624        ON2

238        1.34784        NH

3616        1.0734        LA

3017        0.215456        NY

3351        -0.102046        IS

108        -1.15645        FL

3642        -2.03709        MN

3780        -3.33934        WOR

1482        -3.66545        ON

3756        -4.16007        WAT

3694        -4.92394        GA

3596        -5.83087        WI

3704        -8.19349        SD

1270        -10.2128        OH

Code:

Team        Avg OPR        Num Events

2054        53.8155        3

2512        52.23295        2

330        51.6438        2

1023        48.207975        4

33        47.43933333        3

118        46.72233333        3

876        44.9698        1

781        43.54946667        3

2016        42.33705        2

131        38.6893        1

74        38.218925        4

3539        37.49723333        3

3098        36.3991        3

177        35.9065        2

1918        33.9614        3

931        31.7403        2

191        31.3583        1

1323        31.1501        2

2984        30.92495        2

1718        30.3627        3

190        30.16275        2

932        29.82075        2

2949        28.1996        1

1629        28.0452        2

1690        27.4438        1

155        26.8762        2

1510        25.782        2

229        25.3176        2

1477        23.5798        2

2175        23.1686        1

846        22.7682        2

2169        22.4821        2

3494        22.16205        2

1622        20.19685        2

537        18.74805        2

1640        18.586195        2

3467        18.5745        1

360        18.3301        2

3322        17.5995        2

3010        16.807        1

3506        13.6588        1

1014        12.3701        1

766        12.17337        2

1065        11.4613        1

3747        10.9545        1

2549        10.9186        1

1912        10.6102        1

303        10.5636        2

3337        9.93412        1

701        9.319155        2

45        8.553902        2

3256        8.34349        2

435        8.3224        1

1899        7.51038        1

167        7.276        1

503        7.1497848        5

1518        5.95738        1

2500        4.76158        2

1535        4.73256        1

930        4.61724        1

2022        3.821695        2

1811        3.37661        1

3481        3.22194        1

1000        2.90304        1

1138        2.52595        2

2543        2.43051        1

677        1.66849        1

203        1.48519        1

862        1.45474        2

2972        1.42871        1

238        1.34784        1

597        1.33366        2

3462        1.27562        1

3616        1.0734        1

1547        0.474045        2

3017        0.215456        1

3351        -0.102046        1

108        -1.15645        1

771        -1.267905        2

3642        -2.03709        1

3780        -3.33934        1

1482        -3.66545        1

3756        -4.16007        1

3694        -4.92394        1

3596        -5.83087        1

3704        -8.19349        1

1270        -10.2128        1

Carolyn_Grace

15-04-2011 20:04

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

What is GG? We're, 33, from MI?

tyronott

15-04-2011 20:09

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

ARCH-A-MEDES
(clap) (clap) (clap) (clap) (clap)

Vikesrock

15-04-2011 20:09

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carolyn_Grace (Post 1053293)

What is GG? We're, 33, from MI?

The abbreviations in that list are the event codes where the teams had the highest OPR. GG is the event code for Kettering.

MysterE

15-04-2011 20:11

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Hi all -

Teacher Mentor for Team #3337: Panthrobotics checking in. Looking forward to playing with y'all.

JamesBrown

15-04-2011 20:11

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 1053297)

The abbreviations in that list are the event codes where the teams had the highest OPR. GG is the event code for Kettering.

Any idea why GG is the event code for Kettering, all of the other event codes seem to be abbreviations for either the city or state the event is held in.

Kyoshirin

15-04-2011 20:12

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Maybe it stands for "Generally Good"? =D

Vikesrock

15-04-2011 20:15

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 1053301)

Any idea why GG is the event code for Kettering, all of the other event codes seem to be abbreviations for either the city or state the event is held in.

The Michigan District event codes are based on the name of the District in which they are held. GG stands for the Greater Genesee district.

ATannahill

15-04-2011 20:18

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Really?

wc Ann Arbor MI District
dt Detroit MI District
gg Kettering University MI District
ww Livonia MI District
swm Niles MI District
gt Traverse City MI District
oc Troy MI District
oc1 Waterford MI District
mi West Michigan MI District
gl Michigan State Championship

This seems to be a side effect of the district system.

Kpchem

15-04-2011 20:19

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Team 360 checking in from Washington (The state, not D.C.)

Can't wait to get to St. Louis! This is sure to be a fun and exciting division, based on the teams we've got here.

VKP	15-04-2011 20:24

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Team 1899 Saints Robotics from Washington (State) is present and excited for our first taste of the FIRST Championship!

Vikesrock

15-04-2011 20:28

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1053309)

Really?

Yep.

Code:

wc         Wayne County            Ann Arbor MI District      

dt         Detroit                 Detroit MI District

gg         Greater Genesee         Kettering University MI District

ww         Western Wayne           Livonia MI District

swm         Southwest Michigan      Niles MI District

gt         Greater Traverse        Traverse City MI District

oc         Oakland County          Troy MI District

oc1         Oakland County          Waterford MI District

mi         West Michigan           West Michigan MI District

District map can be found here

big1boom

15-04-2011 20:37

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Looks awesome, this is going to be 2022's first time at championship ever, and we excited to have the dome floor Thursday/Saturday.

Refresh

15-04-2011 20:53

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Looks like an awesome field. And we even get the saturday dome field an added bonus!

bladetech932

15-04-2011 20:58

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

If the OPR rankings are from the highest of attended regionals then ours should be from OKC where are OPR should be much higher. Am I understanding that correctly?

Vikesrock

15-04-2011 21:01

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by bladetech932 (Post 1053327)

If the OPR rankings are from the highest of attended regionals then ours should be from OKC where are OPR should be much higher. Am I understanding that correctly?

Your OPR from Oklahoma City is 26.93 which is lower than the one listed from Kansas City.

bladetech932

15-04-2011 21:06

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

OK, then could some one explain what factors in to OPR

tim-tim

15-04-2011 21:08

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

I don't know everything, but it is based on alliance scores and not individual robot performance.

I don't know the algorithm, but it is calculated from the FMS feeds

Again, these are just arbitrary numbers...

The Lucas

15-04-2011 21:12

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 1053315)

Yep.

Code:

wc         Wayne County            Ann Arbor MI District      

dt         Detroit                 Detroit MI District

gg         Greater Genesee         Kettering University MI District

ww         Western Wayne           Livonia MI District

swm         Southwest Michigan      Niles MI District

gt         Greater Traverse        Traverse City MI District

oc         Oakland County          Troy MI District

oc1         Oakland County          Waterford MI District

mi         West Michigan           West Michigan MI District

District map can be found here

Good explanation, Kevin. I have a few more notes. The following 3 Event codes are artifacts of the 3 regionals in Michigan before the District System:

Code:

     

dt         Detroit Regional                 Detroit MI District

mi         West Michigan Regional           West Michigan MI District

gl        Great Lakes Regional           Michigan State Championship

These 3 prior regionals is the reason MSC has 18 qualifying spots for Championship. MSC is the only event that can ensure that some of its qualifying spots are filled by a team going to Championship. If a team that is already registered for Championship is in the top 9 of reamining point totals (after the 9 award qualifiers), that spot is then offered to the team with the next highest points in the FiM rankings (at other regionals, this unused spot is offered to the general waitlist). At least that is how I understand the 9 remaining qualifying spots based on the last few years.

Also, Waterford (OC1) is the only event code with a "1" included in it. Other event codes in the same area use a 2 (MN2, ON2, WA2). As a computer engineer, I can understand indexing arrays using starting at zero, but the inconsistency between the 4 events confuses me. MN2 (North Star) started in 09 while the rest are new this year, so Waterford should be OC2 for consistency. When you generate OPRs and use frclinks.com & twitter hashtags as much as I do, the event codes become second nature/shorthand.

MysterE

15-04-2011 21:13

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

In the end it comes down to scouting. Our score is lower than it should be in some ways. Once we actually got our robot playing properly (minus the one time when our Autonomous mode actually reversed, ran into the robot behind us, and lodged them into the rear wall), we played with extreme accuracy. Ahh well - next year we will have to go to two regionals.

Vikesrock

15-04-2011 21:22

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

OPR is a representation of an individual robots contribution to the score of their alliances. OPR is calculated using matrix algebra. This approach helps to compensate for having stronger or weaker alliance partners.

Ultimately statistics derived from final scores will always have flaws. They are a useful jumping off point, and talking point before the event, but any team worth their salt won't be considering these numbers at all for alliance selection.

bladetech932

15-04-2011 21:26

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Its not a big deal. I was just wondering how the OPR was calculated.

Sharp Cheddar

15-04-2011 21:27

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

SWEET! 74 is in Archimedes!

The Lucas

15-04-2011 21:34

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by bladetech932 (Post 1053334)

OK, then could some one explain what factors in to OPR

Qualification match scores and partners are the only factors. Here is my most recent explanation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysterE (Post 1053338)

No metric based on prior matches is a replacement for good scouting of individual robots at the competition. These OPRs are calculated for single events and are not calculated across events. The best teams at weak events tend to have a inordinately high OPRs. However IMHO, OPR is better than WLT ranking, Avg score and of course bad scouting (including shout out your team numbers from the crowd). I have seen enough teams struggle through Alliance Selection that would have been much better off running OPRnet on their regional Friday night and just using that list (and hope they pick someone who has a good list based on actual good scouting)

MysterE

15-04-2011 22:10

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

However IMHO, OPR is better than WLT ranking, Avg score and of course bad scouting (including shout out your team numbers from the crowd).

Hmm - guess that means I should nix the megaphones - and just when I was getting our round-robin 3337 down with the group. Though on a more serious note, while yelling your numbers doesn't help, I did find that gracious professionalism goes a long way in making a good impression on a top eight team.

BrendanB

15-04-2011 22:18

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

3467 Windham Windup is so ready for Archimedes!!!!!

musicgurl1329

15-04-2011 22:28

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Hey everyone! 2016 can't wait to see you all in St Louis! :)

Tyler Hicks

15-04-2011 22:45

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

PUMPED for St. Louis!!!!! This is going to be a good one, I see some tough MI teams in this crowd...awesome! Go 1918!!!

Debbie

15-04-2011 22:49

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Bedford Express is eager to meet you all (and eager to play with our Michigan friends some more!!) Playing in the dome on Saturday is icing on the cake! It's going to be a great competition regardless of where we play though!

Archi-

Jack Jones

15-04-2011 22:49

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Will Archimedes produce an all Michigan alliance on Einstein this year?

Interesting tidbit - the top four ranked teams from Michigan will be in separate divisions, and got there in alphabetical order: (coincidence?)

#1 33 Archimedes
#2 67 Curie
#3 2137 Galileo
#4 27 Newton

flippy147852

15-04-2011 23:02

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie (Post 1053379)

Archi-

MEDES!!!!

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

jcbc	15-04-2011 23:08

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Looking forward to it! Sounds likes it will be intense and yet fun at the same time. :)

BrendanB

15-04-2011 23:20

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy147852 (Post 1053385)

MEDES!!!!

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, 1912, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

Haha no martians on that list? :P

flippy147852

15-04-2011 23:40

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1053394)

Haha no martians on that list? :P

Haha, as much as I love the Martians teams, there will be no curse afflictions this year :)

The Lucas

15-04-2011 23:40

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Jones (Post 1053380)

Unless that is a sneaky way of leaking inside info ;), I am going with coincidence, considering the uneven way the 29 FiM teams were distributed amoung the divisions:
Archimedes 11 teams
Curie 5 teams
Galileo 6 teams
Newton 7 teams

Debbie

15-04-2011 23:56

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy147852 (Post 1053385)

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, 1912, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

Definitely going to be fun times! GO BLUE! (hope there are no state fans.. haha) maybe I should stick with GO MICHIGAN! (and of course everyone else too!) Very anxious to meet up with old friends and make new ones! Will be hard to focus on anything else for the next week and a half!

Debbie

16-04-2011 00:02

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 1053403)

Just noticed MOE!!! Woot! You all made an impression on my Lego team which helped form BX when they got to high school! Your team also shared info with us a few years back when I took over coaching BX! Looking forward to playing with you all!!!

flippy147852

16-04-2011 00:04

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie (Post 1053404)

Dear Debbie,
GO BLUE is perfectly acceptable.

Sincerely, a fellow UofM fan.

Quijas

16-04-2011 00:13

Re: 2011 Archimedes

I feel happy with the teams in Archimedes, from the scouting I've done these are the good teams I've seen in each division.(i know there are missing teams,sorry, i'm only one person XD)
Also we have to remember that there will be teams that improve from there last regional.
Arc--Cur---Ga---New
33---51--- 40--- 16
74--- 67--- 48--- 25
118--71--- 63--- 27
131-- 103-- 111-- 78
177-- 166-- 175-- 88
190-- 176-- 195-- 148
191-- 180-- 254-- 179
229-- 245-- 294-- 217
303-- 365--341-- 233
330-- 573-- 359-- 234
360-- 599-- 399-- 494
781-- 768-- 469-- 525
876-- 968-- 548-- 1503
931-- 987-- 610-- 1538
932-- 1519- 935-- 1676
1023-1559- 967-- 1730
1323- 1625- 973-- 2122
1477-1678- 1114- 2415
1510- 1717- 1218- 3138
1718- 1986- 1771
1918- 2056- 1985
2016- 2081- 2137
2054- 2363- 2337
2169- 2471
2512- 2702
3010- 2751
3098- 2826
3539

Peyton Yeung

16-04-2011 00:18

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Team 45 is extremely glad to be in Archimedes with so many good teams this year. I remember 148 and 33 in our division last year and those elimination matches were intense. I really look forward to this years championships and like always I hope everyone does well and has fun.

Lowfategg

16-04-2011 01:16

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Can't wait to play on Archimedes again, last time great things happened. :)

You can be sure that 2016 will be at full force with a few updates up our sleeves.

Btw, is anyone going to startup a Archimedes Robot Scouting List thread where teams can post photos, videos, and specs? Sure helps teams to get their name out there.

Can't wait too see you all, good luck!

The Lucas

16-04-2011 01:25

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie (Post 1053406)

I am truly humbled that my team could be part of the inspiration for a great team like Bedford Express. I'm actually slightly amazed considering your team was founded in '03 in MI and our FLL outreach was still in its early stages in the DE area before '03.

As much as I would like to play a match with BX, MOE is Curie not Archi; so it is not happing yet. However, we will be sharing a set of fields in the pit and the dome :rolleyes: . I am just posting on the Archi thread to share OPR data, and I couldn't resist the juicy trend Jack threw out there. Curie and Archi play each other in the Einstien semi finals so maybe we will see you there ;)

Craig Roys

16-04-2011 10:25

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Jones (Post 1053380)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 1053403)

I don't believe it is coincidence - if you look at last year, the top teams in MI were very evenly divided as well. My guess, looking at the distribution, is that it isn't just MI being split up - it seems the top teams from FRC are being pretty evenly distributed. Only makes sense to do it that way.

tyronott

16-04-2011 10:51

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy147852 (Post 1053385)

MEDES!!!!

This is going to be an exciting division. With Michigan powerhouses such as 33, 1023, 1718, 1918, 2054 and 3098 represented and traditional powerhouses such as 118, 45, 177, 330, 360, 1912, and 1912, eliminations are definitely going to be pretty intense. I second the hope of an all-Michigan alliance going to Einstein .

i think your missing one

flippy147852

16-04-2011 13:53

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Originally Posted by tyronott (Post 1053465)

i think your missing one

Oops! I overlooked you guys :o That's what I get for posting with little sleep

Team 288

16-04-2011 14:24

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Team 931 Checking in from St. Louis. I can't wait to get to St. Louis!! Oh wait.. I'm already here!!

This is going to be a fun competition! Can't wait to see everyone there!!

If anyone in this division needs a minibot, team 931 has got 5 extra's for the taking! (~ 1 second)

Richard Wallace

16-04-2011 16:17

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Originally Posted by Team 288 (Post 1053538)

If anyone in this division needs a minibot, team 931 has got 5 extra's for the taking! (~ 1 second)

Charlie, how about bringing one of those minibots over to the 2081 pit in Curie?

Pole climb time trials, for bragging rights -- plus a can of SPAM.

Team 288

16-04-2011 18:46

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 1053564)

Charlie, how about bringing one of those minibots over to the 2081 pit in Curie?

Pole climb time trials, for bragging rights -- plus a can of SPAM.

Sounds like a great idea! =) We'll be sure to bring one!

MysterE

16-04-2011 19:07

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Hmm - we'll have to bring our mini-bot for some Spam as well. You know - I could throw in some Ramen Noodles to add to the pot.

Chris is me

16-04-2011 19:33

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Archimedes is no Galileo, but I really like this division. You've got your "big guns" with 33, 118, 177, 1918, and 2016 that all have a very good shot at #1 seed and taking the division, but this division has a very large middle ground. Not as top heavy but a LOT more even.

flippy147852

16-04-2011 22:17

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Originally Posted by MysterE (Post 1053595)

Hmm - we'll have to bring our mini-bot for some Spam as well. You know - I could throw in some Ramen Noodles to add to the pot.

What are we doing here? Supplying the winners with a month's supply of college student food?:confused:

I'll bring some Mac and Cheese

Refresh

16-04-2011 22:21

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Originally Posted by flippy147852 (Post 1053635)

What are we doing here? Supplying the winners with a month's supply of college student food?:confused:

I'll bring some Mac and Cheese

That's what I'm picking up from this list. If I wasn't a college student right now, I would offer some of my Ramen noodles.

Debbie

16-04-2011 23:16

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Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 1053420)

Darn... I saw you on here and thought you were in our division! I should've checked the list. LOL My lego team went to worlds 2 years(2000 & 2001 - We started with FLL in 2000 and added FRC in 2003) and met MOE! Good stuff! Would LOVE to see you on Einstein!! LOL Course. we would love to see anyone on that field. hehe

pwnageNick

17-04-2011 01:45

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2949 can't wait to compete against all of you in St. Louis!!!

Check our website and fb page shortly for updated detailed pictures and videos of our robot:
http://www.pwnage.foxvalleyrobotics.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/pwnage...09248172427910
Good luck to everyone!

Zack247

17-04-2011 06:23

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I can still hear the MICH-I-GAN chant ringing in my ears from 2009. I'd love to hear it again.

thor876

17-04-2011 07:47

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Thunder Robotics Team 876 is looking forward to the tremendous competition and seeing some good friends in the elite Archimedes division!

M.Wong

19-04-2011 22:20

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Looking forward to cheering with 33's signs :)

nikeairmancurry

19-04-2011 22:21

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how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

MysterE

19-04-2011 22:27

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I don't like the idea of 12 Michigan teams on Einstein - of course I am a bit partial to having another state in the fray.

Carolyn_Grace

19-04-2011 22:38

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Originally Posted by MysterE (Post 1054671)

I don't like the idea of 12 Michigan teams on Einstein - of course I am a bit partial to having another state in the fray.

Honestly, I kind of don't like that idea either. We've already played with each other. The MSC was completely amazing, but I'd rather have a totally different experience at St. Louis. 11 teams in our division from Michigan, but over 70 from other places around the country (world?). I can't wait to play with those teams now! There's definitely some great teams outside of Michigan that will definitely create an alliance that is a force to be reckoned with on Einstein.

The Lucas

20-04-2011 00:33

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Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1054670)

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

Would you settle for 12 Michigan teams on Archimedes :p

Say hello to Team 440, The Suspects, imported from Detroit!

BrendanB

20-04-2011 00:41

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Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1054670)

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

I would REALLY have a problem with that. It shows how district has really allowed teams to improve over the weeks and it should try to be implemented in other areas. Not all of us can afford 3 events before St. Louis.

pwnageNick

20-04-2011 08:55

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Not all of us can even afford 2 events before St. Louis...

Team 288

20-04-2011 09:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1054670)

how about 12 michigan teams on einstien?

I dislike this because, as a team from not michigan, it's not going to happen.
Team 931 won't let it =)

BrendanB

20-04-2011 10:40

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Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1054758)

Not all of us can even afford 2 events before St. Louis...

Yeah that too!

Tyler Hicks

20-04-2011 22:44

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Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1054758)

Not all of us can even afford 2 events before St. Louis...

Let me clarify to teams outside of the Great State of Michigan, that the majority of us cannot afford to attend 2 or 3 Regionals either. However DISTRICT events are far less expensive compared to Regional events.

The number of teams in Michigan are far greater than every other state (except California). The affordable District system is ideal, especially for MI.

Sure, we get more experience, and for a lower price. Perhaps other states will soon get the district system as well.

BrendanB

20-04-2011 22:48

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Originally Posted by Tyler Hicks (Post 1055064)

Yeah hopefully they can expand it to other states and even regions but alas, nothing has happened in 3 years. Yes, districts are cheaper but I'm sure all of us would love to pay the price you do for the time you get on the field.

Alan Anderson

21-04-2011 14:51

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Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1055066)

Yeah hopefully they can expand it to other states and even regions

Who do you mean when you say "they"?

Quote:

but alas, nothing has happened in 3 years.

The discussions I'm aware of haven't yielded any visible results, but they are not "nothing".

ks_mumupsi

21-04-2011 15:11

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I dont think everyone is as big a fan of the district model, I think this is the difference between folks who have played FIRST since its early days, when regionals were sparse and spread out. It gave us an opportunity to meet new people from different regions.

Now what everyone seems to care about is getting practice time on the field so they can get better on their robot. I don't see how that helps the students grow in any way or form. I for one am glad to have been a part of FIRST when we used to be at Disney and traveled to various locations for regionals. We had good sponsors but we fundraised our way to all those locations. Same as the team I currently mentor. Each student fundraises enough money to pay for their trip.

Anyways back to Archimedes - i think theres a lot of sleeper teams in this divison. It will be good to see some non-powerhouse teams in competition and get to learn about their strategies.

Scouting is going to count for tons in this division and overlooking any team in this division would be a mistake, we have the most underrated divsion and also the division with the highest # of teams that have won a regional. This will be a deep division without a doubt outside of the well known teams.

C ya all in a week.

Tom Line

21-04-2011 15:45

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#1 Teams are still allowed to travel to other areas and compete. The only restriction is that a non-Michigan team can't compete here, but there are still many other regionals you can travel to.

#2 I would suggest that anyone who believes that the success Michigan teams enjoy is a result of the district model is certainly not a student of history. Perhaps you should talk to teams like 67, 469, 33, and 217 and see what their take is...

#3 Let's not turn this into yet-another discussion about districts. There are many many threads about that.

I look forward to seeing a bunch of new teams again. Good luck everyone.

rachelholladay

21-04-2011 17:46

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Team 1912 is super excited about Archimedes! We were in this division in 2007 and loved it. See you guys in 6 days..

ARCHI-

Yusuf1510

21-04-2011 20:44

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Team 1510 Checking in from Oregon we are all really excited for championships and this division!

Tyler Hicks

21-04-2011 20:47

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Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 1055237)

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

Can't wait to play with you all next week!!!!

Joe Ross

22-04-2011 11:40

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Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (all 146 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest opr at any event for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Code:

Team        OPR        Avg Rnk        Med Rnk        Mod Rnk        SD Rnk        Max Rnk        Min Rnk        #1 seed        Top 8        Avg QP        Med QP        Mode QP        Stdv QP        Max QP        Min QP

74        60.7        7.76        5.5        1        7.7        50        1        15        67        16.73        17        18        2.3        20        8

781        60.2        9.26        7        8        8.6        39        1        10        62        16.4        16        18        2.6        20        10

330        60.0        7.42        5        1        7.0        36        1        15        64        16.93        17.5        16        2.3        20        10

2054        58.5        10.03        7        2        8.9        37        1        6        60        16.01        16        18        2.6        20        10

33        56.7        9.07        6        1        8.6        40        1        15        66        16.38        16        18        2.6        20        10

118        55.2        10.37        9        1        7.3        39        1        9        46        15.89        16        16        2.2        20        10

2512        54.6        13.5        11        5        10.1        48        1        7        38        15.11        16        14        2.6        20        8

1023        52.9        12.12        8        8        9.6        54        1        2        51        15.56        16        14        2.6        20        8

3539        49.0        13.83        12        5        10.8        55        1        3        41        15.29        16        14        2.8        20        8

3098        45.6        14.65        12.5        6        12.1        64        1        4        40        15.08        14.5        14        3.0        20        6

2016        45.6        17.08        15        13        12.3        66        1        3        24        14.49        14        16        2.9        20        6

876        45.0        15.61        13.5        17        11.5        52        1        1        30        14.67        14.5        16        2.6        20        8

2984        41.9        17.74        17        17        10.6        47        2        0        24        14.16        14        14        2.5        18        8

177        41.6        18.04        15.5        25        12.5        63        1        2        23        14.23        14        16        2.8        20        6

131        38.7        22.17        20        11        13.9        64        1        2        15        13.55        14        14        3.0        20        7

1629        37.5        24.53        22        9        14.0        65        1        1        9        12.89        13.5        14        2.9        20        6

1918        37.4        25.58        21.5        5        15.8        71        1        1        16        12.82        14        14        3.1        20        6

931        35.8        23.79        22        13        14.3        54        1        1        15        13.11        13        12        3.0        19        8

1718        34.9        26.6        23        11        14.7        68        4        0        5        12.53        12        14        2.8        18        6

2169        34.7        23.61        20        18        14.9        64        3        0        15        13.14        14        14        3.0        20        6

155        34.3        30.73        26        19        16.7        69        3        0        4        11.98        12        14        3.2        20        6

190        33.0        28.21        25        25        16.7        72        4        0        10        12.34        12        14        3.1        18        4

932        32.7        29.12        28        29        15.9        79        1        1        9        12.28        12        12        3.1        20        4

229        32.4        27.1        26        23        14.6        61        2        0        6        12.55        12        10        3.0        20        6

1323        32.0        29.54        27        38        16.2        73        5        0        2        12        12        10        3.0        18        4

1477        31.8        27.8        25.5        35        16.1        81        1        1        9        12.41        12        14        3.1        19        4

191        31.4        30.22        27.5        18        15.9        76        4        0        3        11.96        12        14        3.0        18        4

1510        30.0        32.59        31        18        15.5        68        3        0        5        11.63        12        12        2.9        18        6

2949        28.2        32.7        31.5        29        16.2        79        6        0        3        11.61        12        12        2.9        18        4

846        27.6        33.16        31        35        17.0        85        1        1        1        11.42        12        10        3.1        20        2

1690        27.4        33.7        33.5        19        16.1        77        4        0        2        11.44        12        10        2.9        18        4

1640        27.3        32.92        31        27        13.7        75        5        0        2        11.52        12        12        2.4        18        4

537        26.0        37.42        36.5        36        17.8        84        6        0        2        10.71        10        10        3.2        18        2

3494        25.7        35.83        33        31        17.7        80        2        0        5        11.09        12        12        3.2        20        4

360        25.7        37.87        35        32        17.5        78        3        0        3        10.63        10        12        3.1        18        4

3322        25.0        38.29        38        38        16.0        78        4        0        3        10.62        10        10        2.8        18        4

2175        23.2        35.81        33.5        43        19.0        84        5        0        5        11.2        11.5        10        3.5        18        2

701        20.9        40.16        40        41        17.2        85        9        0        0        10.36        10        10        3.0        18        2

1622        20.6        40.57        40.5        28        20.4        82        4        0        3        10.34        10        8        3.7        18        2

3256        19.1        42.48        43        43        16.7        82        9        0        0        9.93        10        8        2.9        16        2

3467        18.6        42.86        40.5        53        18.1        78        4        0        2        10        10        10        3.1        18        4

3010        16.8        44.35        40.5        31        19.1        85        8        0        1        9.73        10        12        3.3        16        2

766        16.7        47.53        48        58        16.5        79        5        0        2        9.22        9        8        2.8        18        4

45        16.5        46.88        46.5        57        19.0        86        6        0        1        9.34        10        8        3.3        18        0

503        14.2        50.63        52        54        16.4        84        10        0        0        8.66        8        10        2.7        16        2

3506        13.7        50.92        54.5        56        19.5        84        8        0        2        8.85        8        8        3.4        18        2

1014        12.4        51.24        51.5        30        15.5        84        18        0        0        8.69        8        8        2.5        14        2

1065        11.5        54.4        57        65        18.3        87        11        0        0        8.28        8        8        3.2        16        0

3747        11.0        53.91        54.5        68        16.0        86        15        0        0        8.36        8        10        2.9        16        2

303        10.9        54.24        56.5        73        18.0        87        8        0        1        8.34        8        6        3.1        16        0

2549        10.9        50.67        51        34        17.5        87        8        0        1        8.8        8        8        3.0        16        0

1912        10.6        55.04        56        64        16.4        84        17        0        0        8.1        8        10        2.9        14        2

3337        9.9        53.56        55.5        72        18.7        84        12        0        0        8.41        8        8        3.2        16        2

2022        9.5        55.31        55        42        14.8        87        10        0        0        8.12        8        10        2.5        16        0

435        8.3        55.54        57        65        17.2        87        21        0        0        7.91        8        8        3.2        14        0

597        8.1        55.87        57        53        18.4        87        8        0        1        8.01        8        8        3.2        17        2

1899        7.5        56.57        57        56        17.9        85        13        0        0        7.99        8        8        3.1        16        2

167        7.3        58.33        57        51        16.5        87        19        0        0        7.63        8        8        2.9        14        0

2500        6.9        61.53        65.5        64        17.3        86        12        0        0        7.2        6        6        3.0        16        0

1518        6.0        60.83        64        72        17.3        87        14        0        0        7.35        6        6        3.0        16        0

1535        4.7        58.24        60        64        16.7        87        21        0        0        7.77        8        6        2.9        14        0

862        4.7        58.84        61        48        17.9        87        19        0        0        7.65        8        8        3.2        14        0

930        4.6        60.58        63.5        63        18.4        87        5        0        1        7.42        7.5        6        3.3        18        0

1811        3.4        63.93        66        72        15.9        87        20        0        0        6.7        7        6        3.0        14        0

3481        3.2        61.63        64        79        17.0        86        21        0        0        7.24        7        6        3.0        14        0

1000        2.9        62.65        66.5        74        17.0        87        18        0        0        7.06        6        6        3.0        14        0

1138        2.7        61.91        62        83        16.7        87        21        0        0        7.17        8        8        3.1        14        0

2543        2.4        62.14        62.5        81        17.9        87        13        0        0        7.18        8        8        3.2        16        2

1547        2.0        65.39        68        76        15.4        87        31        0        0        6.58        6        6        2.8        12        0

677        1.7        60.99        65        71        17.2        87        11        0        0        7.41        7        6        2.8        16        2

203        1.5        64.23        67        81        16.4        87        22        0        0        6.82        6        4        3.0        14        0

2972        1.4        65.92        70        75        16.2        87        21        0        0        6.52        6        8        3.1        14        0

771        1.4        64.25        68        77        15.6        87        25        0        0        6.8        6        6        2.9        14        0

238        1.3        63.39        67.5        67        17.0        87        14        0        0        6.96        6        6        2.9        15        2

3462        1.3        63.17        69        59        17.0        85        15        0        0        7.01        6        4        2.9        16        2

3616        1.1        64.83        65        81        15.4        87        23        0        0        6.77        7        8        2.8        14        0

3017        0.2        66.18        70        70        14.9        87        32        0        0        6.49        6        6        2.8        12        0

3351        -0.1        66.27        71        73        15.1        87        23        0        0        6.52        6        6        2.9        14        0

108        -1.2        66.84        70.5        73        15.3        87        19        0        0        6.36        6        6        2.9        14        0

3642        -2.0        67.13        71.5        84        15.1        87        23        0        0        6.42        6        4        2.8        13        0

3780        -3.3        68.62        72        73        15.1        87        24        0        0        6.15        6        4        3.0        14        0

1482        -3.7        68.45        72        87        16.4        87        25        0        0        6.12        6        4        3.1        13        0

3756        -4.2        69.65        75        85        15.7        87        14        0        0        5.97        6        6        2.9        15        0

3694        -4.9        72.62        78        87        14.0        87        30        0        0        5.3        5        4        2.8        12        0

3596        -5.8        73.28        77        86        12.9        87        31        0        0        5.3        6        4        2.7        12        0

3704        -8.2        73.39        76        87        13.6        87        30        0        0        5.31        6        6        2.7        12        0

1270        -10.2        74.29        79.5        86        13.6        87        28        0        0        5.02        4        4        2.8        13        0

Akash Rastogi

22-04-2011 12:02

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1055510)

...

Joe, would you mind running this for each division? Thank you!:D

Travis Hoffman

22-04-2011 12:23

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1055519)

Joe, would you mind running this for each division? Thank you!:D

He will. He told me as much. Naturally, he did his division first. Patience, sir! :)

Joe Ross

22-04-2011 13:20

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1055519)

Joe, would you mind running this for each division? Thank you!:D

My software isn't very optimized, so it takes around 24 hours to run the simulation.

SamMullen

24-04-2011 20:32

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Joe, how did you turn different teams OPR's into match results? Did you just take the different match schedules, add up the OPR's for both the alliances and declare the alliance with the larger OPR the winner? Or is there some element of randomness involved in it? And if you did just add the OPR's, were tied matches simply when the two sides were approximately equal?

Thanks for posting all of this by the way, it's really fascinating stuff.

Joe Ross

24-04-2011 22:04

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamMullen (Post 1056173)

That's exactly how I do it. I round the sum of the alliances OPR to the nearest integer, which is why there can occasionally be ties.

JennaBrown

25-04-2011 18:11

2011 Archimedes Division and the MOEbile Pit!

To start I would like to congratulate all of the teams who are coming to nationals in St. Louis! All of your hard work and dedication is paying off!
Like any other competition there are some things that are bound to happen. Programs aren't going to run right, things will break, and countless of other things could go wrong (knock on wood!). But have no fear, MOEbile Pit will be there! For years MOE 365 has run a successful "mobile pit" which consists of a team of students that helps other teams with any problems that they encounter. But this year we are stepping into the 21st century with the help of Twitter! If at any time during the competition your team finds themselves in need of help, Tweet @MOEbilePit with your problem/request! This is an experimental way of communication through which other FIRST teams can connect to our MOEbile Pit when they need assistance! If you have any questions feel free to post them, or Tweet them to @MOEbilePit .
In the words of my greatest inspiration, Dean Kamen, "Good luck, and see you in St. Louis!"

Joe Ross

26-04-2011 12:06

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1055510)

Based on the simulation, I looked at some statistics of how teams seeded based on how many wins they had. Here's how teams seeded with 10 wins, 9 wins, and 8 wins, respectively.

Code:

Seed        20qp        18qp        16qp

1        72        19        0

2        39        55        0

3        18        78        1

4        5        84        6

5        0        73        20

6        0        46        42

7        0        26        61

8        0        11        81

9        0        5        90

10        0        1        89

11        0        0        82

12        0        0        67

13        0        0        53

14        0        0        36

15        0        0        15

16        0        0        7

17        0        0        1

18        0        0        0

19        0        0        0

20        0        0        0

JamesBrown

28-04-2011 16:30

Re: 2011 Archimedes Division

Match Predictions by OPR,

Match Number, Red OPR, Blue OPR, Difference (Red-Blue)

Code:

1        65.8        32.2        33.6

2        30.6        68        -37.4

3        78.4        76.1        2.3

4        29.4        28.8        0.6

5        65.1        51.4        13.7

6        43.6        70        -26.4

7        23.2        -2.1        25.3

8        80        47.8        32.2

9        52.7        46.4        6.3

10        11.5        48.3        -36.8

11        127.3        80.6        46.7

12        163        101.4        61.6

13        23.7        42.1        -18.4

14        98.4        71.4        27

15        31.8        88        -56.2

16        62.2        35.6        26.6

17        -6.1        52.8        -58.9

18        24.9        60.2        -35.3

19        108.3        64.7        43.6

20        34.4        68.3        -33.9

21        16.6        76.3        -59.7

22        100.4        75.2        25.2

23        71.4        47.2        24.2

24        40.8        65.1        -24.3

25        66.4        70.2        -3.8

26        48.4        39        9.4

27        90.8        14.4        76.4

28        105.3        98.7        6.6

29        40.3        40.3        0

30        121.3        43.6        77.7

31        65.4        54.3        11.1

32        74.1        96.1        -22

33        46.6        64.5        -17.9

34        50.6        72.9        -22.3

35        3.7        42.1        -38.4

36        41.1        -4.7        45.8

37        29.5        66.6        -37.1

38        30.5        89.4        -58.9

39        67.8        48.5        19.3

40        122.9        67.9        55

41        96.2        47.8        48.4

42        15.4        133.5        -118.1

43        82.4        60.4        22

44        36.6        30.9        5.7

45        5.9        57.8        -51.9

46        18.6        110.7        -92.1

47        37        65.4        -28.4

48        102.6        49.9        52.7

49        94        11.2        82.8

50        76.6        22.9        53.7

51        30.3        34.3        -4

52        104.4        72.9        31.5

53        13.4        99.8        -86.4

54        99.5        69        30.5

55        -1.3        79.7        -81

56        111.1        45.1        66

57        54.3        67.1        -12.8

58        46.8        62.1        -15.3

59        27.7        56        -28.3

60        79.3        31.4        47.9

61        77.1        49.5        27.6

62        137.3        61.7        75.6

63        74        58.3        15.7

64        81        31.3        49.7

65        99.6        82.1        17.5

66        29.5        85        -55.5

67        72.3        71.7        0.6

68        39.3        39.8        -0.5

69        72.8        42.5        30.3

70        11        76.7        -65.7

71        62.8        72.4        -9.6

72        47.4        18.1        29.3

73        1.7        64.3        -62.6

74        51.7        73.8        -22.1

75        39.5        101.2        -61.7

76        77.8        37.5        40.3

77        35.9        102.1        -66.2

78        58.2        105.8        -47.6

79        86.9        39.4        47.5

80        58        44        14

81        75.7        85.5        -9.8

82        74.2        65.7        8.5

83        32.4        48.4        -16

84        31.5        64.8        -33.3

85        29.9        81.8        -51.9

86        64.3        -6.9        71.2

87        31.4        79.3        -47.9

88        65.7        54.7        11

89        57.7        10        47.7

90        42.8        19.1        23.7

91        6        99.3        -93.3

92        83.2        15        68.2

93        102.4        100.5        1.9

94        8.1        79.8        -71.7

95        50.3        39.3        11

96        65.8        20.5        45.3

97        60.5        79.1        -18.6

98        91.7        33.6        58.1

99        71.6        1.3        70.3

100        76.6        32.7        43.9

101        75.8        62.5        13.3

102        90.8        111.5        -20.7

103        70.8        88.4        -17.6

104        102.3        50.7        51.6

105        16.1        5.9        10.2

106        88.9        48        40.9

107        39.4        88.9        -49.5

108        38.4        12.2        26.2

109        34.1        79.9        -45.8

110        129.2        60.1        69.1

111        76.6        4.4        72.2

112        57.3        74.5        -17.2

113        59.1        17.7        41.4

114        76.2        30.2        46

115        109.8        99.7        10.1

116        33.4        90        -56.6

117        61.3        86.2        -24.9

118        58.9        129.7        -70.8

119        26.2        116.2        -90

120        29.7        53.7        -24

121        20.8        9.8        11

122        48.3        43        5.3

123        9.4        108.3        -98.9

124        67.5        84.7        -17.2

125        81.8        27        54.8

126        116.2        19.5        96.7

127        43.7        44.9        -1.2

128        111.5        78.4        33.1

129        6.5        87.2        -80.7

130        112.7        108.8        3.9

131        46.9        22.1        24.8

132        23.9        30.4        -6.5

133        75.2        40        35.2

134        77.9        58.2        19.7

135        38.2        28.5        9.7

136        74.4        87.3        -12.9

137        74.1        16.1        58

138        152.5        58.2        94.3

139        17.1        54.4        -37.3

140        27.3        27.6        -0.3

141        7.4        86.6        -79.2

142        31.2        139.5        -108.3

143        70.2        46.8        23.4

144        73.4        76.8        -3.4

145        94        78.2        15.8

146        80        9.8        70.2

147        19.6        29.8        -10.2

Note, If the team doesn't show in Joe Ross's table there OPR is counted as 0 in these predictions.

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