The Pink Team 3 Tube Autonomous
 

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This is absolutely amazing.
Beautifully designed with a superb manipulator / arm combo.

Oh and kudos to the programmers :)

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Neat! How consistent is it?

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That is simply absurd. I firmly believed this would not be possible. Congratulations to whoever programmed that.

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i'm amazed, are you guys using line tracking, vision targets, both or just dead reckoning? anyhow, that's an awesome autonomous period. I bet it was pretty hard to code!

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:ahh: Simply stunning

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It has been programmed since DC but today is the first time we've had a robot that is functioning enough to actually test it (in DC 3 of our 4 encoders kicked the bucket so it wasn't possible).

But so far 4 for 4. More consistent than our single tube if you don't think too hard.

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Just a few encoders and a gyro slapped on with some tape.

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The most important question of them all. If it is consistent, huge advantage. 3 ubers a qualification match will likely lead to a high seed and then the freedom of picking the best teams, regardless of autonomous capibilities. I can't wait to see it!

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Extremely impressive. Kudos on being able to get 3 tubes on the rack in 15 seconds, let alone in autonomous!

Brando

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Amazing, just fantastic! Props your programmers for all their hard work on getting it to work!

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This is absolutely brilliant. It will be even more amazing if Pink can pull this off in an actual match at St. Louis... I'll be watching them closely.

Think about it: If Pink can score 3 Ubertubes in auton, score 6 tubes on the top row, and get first place in the minibot race, that's 102 points easily achieved by one robot. No need for any other robots on Pink's alliance. Amazing.

To Jay, Taylor, Luke, Deanna, and all you 67 programmers (I know you read these forums): Do this.

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i'd keep asking questions because i want to learn exactly how this works but, for the sake of you and the pink team's sanity/success i won't bug you about it.

this is probably the coolest autonomous mode ever.. :yikes:

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Wow, really awesome guys.

..Plus I won my early season bet with Ike. Thank you Pink Team, you just made my day.

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Holy.
Freaking.
Crap.

Well done, Pink Team. Well done!

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I just died a little...

But congratulations on the 3 tube auto! That is one thing I firmly believed impossible.

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Very impressive. Good work on a 3tube auto period. If your drivers can drive anywhere near as well as your programmers can program, I can bet its safe to say we'll see you go far in StL.

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YES! Congrats guys, this is amazing. Pink once again proves they are the master of the innertubes. I hope to see you guys on Einstein again!

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Pink had an advantage, their robot was built on day 1 :P Pretty outstanding feat of building a robot capable of this, and having programmers able to utilize the available resources and tools to do this.

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Wow. Just wow.

As usually, kudos to the Pink Team for doing something absolutely awesome.

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I don't think this would be possible for anyone who has to turn around to pick up each subsequent tube.

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Well done! Hopefully we can compete with you in Newton this year. Last time we were at Championships (2006), I don't think we were ever paired up. Good luck, and see you in a few days.

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Wow. That's ridiculous... There is a reason why Pink is always on Einstein, stuff like this. Well done!

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That was amazing. I really hope i get to see this live in St. Louis.

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wowowowowow! :ahh: that is insane! very well done!

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YES!

THANK YOU!

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Very impossible. I would have tried though...

At first I thought that this auton would be useless after qualifications are over, but then I realized that if it's consistent enough, it could potentially be better than three robots trying to put up three tubes and interfering with each other. This was a big problem at MSC.

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Psssh the yooper troopers had a six tube auton two weeks ago. But seriously this game was built built for the pink team they have been building the telescoping arm since before I've been in first. I think this could be their year to win Einstein.

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That's what I thought when someone else showed me this video.

Well done 233.

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But does it work with 2 other robots on the field, possibly in the way?

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It looks like the tubes are positioned so they can be placed in front of their two alliance partners, ensuring neither of them get in the way as long as they do not move.

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Amazing!

Don't even thing about it. Focus on one or two tubes.

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Honestly, I was totally expecting Rick Astley on the other side of that link. The idea was that ridiculous to me. Which just goes to show my lack of imagination. Very well done guys.

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This is the reason why I do FIRST...

Bravo!

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Very Nice, After I saw 33 do two at Kettering at week 1, I would see 3...
(Not from our team...)
BRAVO!

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Absolutely wonderful. Good luck in Saint Louis! (I'll be cheering from Archimedes for you guys!)

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If only standing ovations were possible over the Internet. Congratulations, Pink Team! This is amazing.

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:O, truly incredible. This is why I can honestly say you guys are one of my favorite teams out there. Can't wait to see you guys down in St.Louis, I believe you'll actually be in the pit right next to us, so stop by if you even need anything!

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Four of four successes? Insane!

Maybe if your alliance partners helped push the ubertubes closer to the rack, then backed off.....

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Absolutely stunning. The crazy part is that it doesn't LOOK that fast on video, yet it's done very close to being perfectly in time (hard to judge from the video). Getting something like that working, even in the shop, is a huge accomplishment. Now if you can do it during a match at St. Louis, THAT will be impressive!

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Great... Were in the same division. LOL jk. It will be crazy! And although galieo will be the one to watch newton will definately have something to show for!!!

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Congrats, I didn't think anyone would be fast enough to get 3 Ubers under the 15 sec time limit in the regular season. It looks like you may just do it.

I would say I hope you get an opportunity to run it in a qualification match, but that is probably a double edged sword. There are only 3 situations where I can see myself trying that risky for the first time in a CMP qualifying match
1. My partners both have no/low percentage autonomous so it is the only good choice.
2. A late match, where the rest of the alliance has little chance of making elims so try just try it.
3. Blowout highly likely, go for style points :cool: For example if the scheduler decided to mathcup 148/217/233 vs. a negative OPR alliance (the kind of match last year where smart opposition would go 6v0, we faced 217 with a good alliance last year and quickly wrote an auto that scored for them)
2 of those 3 options are not favorable. I think they will get several opportunities to run a double Uber since not everyone at CMP has a consistent enough auto, but it is hard to give up a sure Uber on the other side to roll the dice. I know at Philly some teams came into the strategy meeting asking us to run our double instead of their auto because the percentages were better (we were on a long streak of hitting 2)

I am not even sure they will get a chance to practice it on Thursday morning. Everyone wants to check that their auto works, especially if it is not consistent. Maybe in later practice matches, some fill teams and/or teams with tested consistent auto will allow them to try it. Personally, I am concerned that my team will not get enough opportunities to run a 2 tube auto to confirm that it will work on this Curie field (It worked so well on Philly field, and I don't even want to think about the switch to Archi). The thing about using only encoders and gyro (like Pink, us and most of the 2 tube teams) is the auto is repeatable, but not adaptable (to differences in setup or field). When we run a single tube, we have time to use ultrasonics to adapt to a difference from the expected distance. Pink's gripper is amazing, but I don't know how many inches of tolerance they have when they are intentionally grabbing the tube offset so far to the left (for our experience, once we got the distance correct, all our misses are setup errors where we miss the grab on a misplaced tube).

(Note: I wrote this in 2 parts, I just realized how tl;dr it turned out. I guess multi tube auto is just on my mind)

I hope IKE knows better than to make wagers on what robots can achieve in their shop. I thought it was standard wager policy, "Official FRC match or it didn't happen" (practice and offseason don't count either).

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One of the cool parts about it, is that the tube is always in the right position relative to the rack, no matter where the robot picks it up. So if the robot is off a little and doesn't grab it from center, the tube will still be in the right place to score.

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One thing I wonder about is - that 3rd tube looks awfully close to scoring right at the 15-second mark. Do they risk scoring late and having to remove the thing at the start of teleop to avoid penalty?

The lack of any time cushion at the end makes it a risky play. But very cool regardless!

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about 14.5 seconds total, including the tower retracting, so I don't think its too big a problem.

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I'm hoping this year is a big WARNING sign to the GDC. Give teams 20 seconds for autonomus ! They can do really amazing things :D

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I thought the left offset was intentional to avoid the pegs (since you loaded the original tube that way). Orienting the tube to the rack is obviously a big advantage in setup and limiting turns (robots like 40's Pinky and 987 have shown this). Has it ever missed to dead center on the tube and still worked? Overall, it should be pretty easy to tune the distances of the straight sections, assuming the angled backup isn't too long (hits the tube before the turn).

Again, great job! Truly amazing.

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And that is why 1511 hardly EVER uses encoders any more >_< at any given point in time, encoders tend to jump ship for us =\

I'm so sad we never got to see this at DC!

Nice job, good luck at Champs!

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Encoders worked fine for us and never gave out except for one out of four. We could not get one encoder working that tracked the left side of the drive-train but it didn't hurt us too much.

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I HAVE IT PROGRAMMED!!!! Ive just been forbidden from testing it... they think ill make the bot explode. >.>

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Well done!

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You guys are crazy and we all love you for it. I knew it would happen, it was just a matter of who was going to do it. Truly Epic!

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Wow... One word to describe this = AMAZING!

See you down there Thursday!

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It looks like you guys changed you minibot deployment.

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Hmmm. I gotta see it in a match.

Great job guys. I didn't think we would see this until IRI. This is the perfect architectur of bot to execute this move. Very impressive.

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Oh yeah got the fischer price on there now!

And btw the tube is offset so we don't sideswipe the second tube that lays on the ground as we drive out. We will adjust it to grab the next two in the center. The new scoring sequence doesnt hit the pegs.

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My guess is -- it won't be necessary in IRI.

At Champs, I assume they will use a two tube variant in qualification makes.

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wow that was amazing. i remember word floating around during dc that pink had a 3-tube auton. i was disappointed to not see it. what division is pink on? (yeah im too lazy to look it up myself :P) im deff gonna be watching the webcast to see if you guys can pull it off!

awesome job!

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They are on the least chatty of the divisions. You have to look for it to find it here in CD.

Jane

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I would be shocked if this auto alone does not put them in the 3rd seed or better.

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ok ok i did some work :P

newton it is!

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There you go. :)

Jane

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Totally and absolutely amazing! That is all.

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Awesome job. That arm design and roller claw certainly help a lot, but really cool nonetheless.

With good reason....did you see what you did to our poor rack? :p

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Share to explain? I was surprised more people did not destroy their racks this year, so I am obviously interested! :p

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We actually have video of our bot almost tipping the rack onto the robot, thanks to three people quickly sitting on it, we avoided disaster.

Moral of the story: Communication between the two drivers is key.
Other Moral of the Story: Putting the battery cart over the back of the rack helps to keep from tipping.

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This feat is astounding.

We were able to observe the PINK team carefully and methodically push through their issues (PINK ever has issues with their bot??? No way! :ahh:) in DC, which was truly the most inspirational part of their team to us. If this is actually performed in a match and winds up on TBA, it will probably be one of the most watched matches of the season.

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I am glad to hear you learned a few things, and that everyone is ok! :) We supported ours to the wall by a few 2x4's. But if that were not the case, I am sure they would have fallen over at least once!

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can't wait to watch newton for pink! if they can pull it off that would be amazing :)

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It truly would. Its like 1114's auto in 2008. Unbelievable. :D

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This might open up a few new possiblities. Is their something constructive the other two bots can do during auton?

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I don't think there is really anything in autonomous besides scoring and positioning the robot for teleop. I guess for a robot like 1503 to be in best position to go into a lane.

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so what's the penalty for "accidentally" placing your robot on the field backward, and spearing towards and bumping your opponents so they mis their auto.

not that I'd ever suggest that...

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Crossing the center of the field in autonomous is prohibited.

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It would cost you a 3 point penalty to cross the center lane.

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Which, given the right context, is totally worth it ;)

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And another 3-point Penalty if you get to the other team's Zone.

Plus a Red Card if you hit one of their robots that is in that Zone.

Is that worth it? :eek:

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yea....1126 almost brought down our rack a few times while practicing, we also managed to almost do a pull-up on one of the pegs during autonomous...

as to pink, i really hope to see that work on the real field! :)

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1114 in 08 was incredible.. and reliable. knocking off both balls and making at least a full lap pretty much every round, they had such an advantage going into teleop. i dont know i can say the same about this, because as reliable as this may be, you might be better off just doing two tubes (i know they can do that :P) and letting another reliable robot put up the third. of course thats something im gonna be on the lookout for during CMP's. will they even have the necessity to pull off three tubes? i guess theres only one way to find out! cant wait for thursdayyy

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I don't think a Youtube video ever made me cry before. Excellent work.

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So have they managed to do this awesomeness at the championship yet?

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word on the street is yes, and it's been successful, but I'd like to see some youtube proof.
simply amazing, way to go 233!! (I remember when I got excited about 2 ubers by 148, week 1...)

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I wonder what match is this rumored to be? I only got to watch pink once today on webcast.

A possible idea for fun in the off-season:
There should be a autonomous "style" contest at an off-season event. Judges rate the robot on how cool its autonomous is. E.g. Spins, picking first tube off ground before hanging (910 for example), and double/triple tube autonomous (bonus for going within the 15 second time limit)

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From what I've heard it was only in practice..

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People that don't know or do programming don't understand how hard this is. Kudos to Pink, kicking butt like usual. Hope to see you guys at Einstein.

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We have been able to do it on the practice field near our pit area yesterday. During competition, we came close once but missed the grab of the 3rd tube.

We still have an assortment of issues to work out: new minibot not deploying, minor kinks in autonomous, tubes seem overinflated so adjustments on the gripper is needed. Just a little frustrating yesterday but it is how it goes.

I am hoping we can resolve them and look strong by the end of the day today (preferably sooner).

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Amazing!

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We ran it in a real match and first try it ran perfectly but we were so excited we put the 3rd tube in the wrong spot, so I'm pretty bummed. Since our gyro seems to been having a slow and painful death, or something else is causing the robot not to track straight, but it seems alright now for at least one or two since we put a new one on.