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Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by gunsanbob (Post 1057620)

why did 2337 choose 578 who only won 3 matchs

*548. Also our schedule was unbelievably difficult this year with a matches against 254, 469, 1114, 399, 1771, ect. Also as a side note we had the highest ranking score in all four divisions (according to a few members on our team) with more then 73 points. Thanks again to 2337 for selecting us and 70 for accepting to make an all Michigan alliance!

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by Chexposito (Post 1057819)

i would also like to thank Paul Copioli for his dedication to a fair competition, any mentor who extends an offer to help an opponent robot get fixed on a timeout should be recognized. that is the true spirit of gracious professionalism. after that outreach to help, losing to your alliance was ok in my book.

I heard about this from the students on MORT, definitely such a classy show of professionalism from one of the best mentors in FRC. It was good to hear this from one of them, "I have a LOT of respect for Paul from 217."

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schuetze (Post 1057617)

I am working on a take home final due @ 5:00 PM today and keeping an eye on scores and it appears that a lot of the division quarter final matches are very close games. This would seem to validate that the game design folks created scoring options that didn't have a choke hold strategy as well as provided a greater number of teams the ability to design and build effective scroing machines:cool:

Either that or they designed a game with tremendous diminishing returns on the tube rack. If your alliance could score 12 tubes and your opponent could only score 6, you got 96 points while your opponent got 72 (assuming 3 top row ubertubes). If you could score all 18, you got 108 points. That's a 33% higher score for 2x the number of tubes and a 50% higher score for 3x more tubes. That's the main reason for the close scores, not because the alliances were more evenly matched than in past years.

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Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 1058118)

254, 111 and 1114 were all awesome, but with 111 and 1114 both outside the top 8 we could do nothing to break up an eventual killer alliance that we felt would probably end up going all the way (as they did).

Luck sure did play into our win this year. At the beginning of matches on Saturday, we had a chance to be anywhere between 1st and 10th seed depending on how a few key matches went. If we won and a few teams lost or had low RP matches, we would be 1st. If we lost and a few other teams won and had high RP matches, we would be 10th or maybe even lower. We ended up losing our match (partly because one of the motor leads snapped off on our minibot) and finishing 0.40 points out of 8th place. Another possibly lucky break for us is that 1771 finished 1st and chose 1114. If 254 was 1st they may have chosen 1114 instead of us and they certainly would have plowed through the divisional bracket regardless of the other alliance pairings.

As a side note, this scenario reminds me of 2001 when we were less than a ranking point away from being 8th seed and getting auto-paired with the 4th seed for eliminations. Being 9th allowed us to get selected by 33 & 254 where we won Archimedes and were runners-up on Einstein.

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

Newton alliance selection surprised me. 148 was not selected by the #1 seed? Was I the only one watching and scratching my head the entire time? Were people making mistakes this far in the competition or was it just very very strategic super secret mind boggling strategy that I can not understand?

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by Chexposito (Post 1057819)

the guys at 2122 were awesome. people talk about sleepers, and they were it. myself and a few others were waiting to get on the practice field while 2122 was practicing. they were hanging like mad and we brought it up to our scouts' attention. i however had not seen 11 until we competed with them. they were also great and had the same shirts as us :)

I'm happy to see 2122 get some attention here. They have rapidly become a very competitive team and are committed to finding the resources they need to get better each year. This season's robot is as good as the usual suspects that get so much love around here, I'd argue, and I'm thrilled they got the chance to demonstrate that.

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by Mike Soukup (Post 1058238)

I completely agree with Mike on this one.

One great example is the match we played in the Curie finals when 71 took themselves out of the 2nd match to work on their robot. They played it 2 against three and the score was really close.

If you looked at the racks, it didn't appear to be nearly as close as the score. Our alliance scored around 6 more tubes then theirs, but due to the diminishing returns of scoring, the final score was really tight. Why? Two logos on the 2nd row is a 24 point advantage. First and third vs. second and fourth in the minibot race is a 15 point advantage. If one alliance make the two logos and the other alliance gets the minibots, that's a 9 point margin. Pretty darn close, yet very plausible in a 2 against 3 situation.

If the 2-robot alliance took first and second in the minibot race. They would have pulled off the win.

The scoring system definitely make for exciting finishes. You're never really out of it.

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by pandamonium (Post 1058245)

217, 148 and i think 16 were all invited to join the number one alliance. they all declined and 233 finally accepted.

Re: 2011 Championship Alliances

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Originally Posted by Chexposito (Post 1057819)

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1058129)

I am not suprised to hear this...217 wins a lot (no revelation there), but they are also one of the most helpful teams around - always willing to lend a hand. We had a similar situation; Paul and Mike helped out our team during the Troy semifinals in which we were playing against each other.