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Koko Ed 08-05-2011 09:58

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
My first year was at that event in Florida.
I'm glad we left. Like our lead teacher pointed out: that was more about Disney than FIRST.

Kevin Sevcik 08-05-2011 21:32

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
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Originally Posted by J93Wagner (Post 1059794)
I would dispute your assertion that replacing paid personnel (IF that's how they do it at regionals, and I doubt that) with volunteer students would help as the real cost is really in the venue.

You're oh so sadly mistaken. AV at tradtional regionals isn't just paid professionals. It's paid professionals shipped in from New England along with all their equipment. To the tune of mid five figures for the Lonestar regional. As has been mandated by FIRST HQ for a while now, since they have a national contract with the AV company. If I recall correctly AV is the biggest or second biggest expense at Lonestar. So it's far from insignificant, and can dwarf the actual venue costs.

J93Wagner 08-05-2011 21:41

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1060236)
You're oh so sadly mistaken. AV at tradtional regionals isn't just paid professionals. It's paid professionals shipped in from New England along with all their equipment. To the tune of mid five figures for the Lonestar regional. As has been mandated by FIRST HQ for a while now, since they have a national contract with the AV company. If I recall correctly AV is the biggest or second biggest expense at Lonestar. So it's far from insignificant, and can dwarf the actual venue costs.

:ahh: Well, that certainly compounds things...

JesseK 09-05-2011 09:09

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
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Originally Posted by FRC4ME (Post 1059834)
I'm a little concerned that the best you can say about FIRST is that they "aren't totally diabolical." I honestly believe FIRST's goals are pure and not corrupt. Are you implying that this isn't the case?

It is a simple anecdote that could be used to address cynicism surrounding FIRST regarding some of their decisions, not their goals. If we don't understand some of the decisions FIRST makes, and then they keep making mistakes or consistently disagreeing with us (small issues most of the time) without any sort of transparency, are we wrong to question their motives? Or should we always presume the motives behind the decisions are 'pure'? While I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, emerging patterns are very difficult to ignore.

Dancin103 09-05-2011 14:58

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
After looking at the pit map from 2002, the pictures, and getting lost down memory lane, there were a few things that came to mind. If there is only a 21% increase in the number of teams at this year's Championship Event, there is something that I think is being over looked. Yes it is about the number of teams, but at the same time, it's about the number of members per team as well. I feel as though over the years, teams themselves have grown in exponential numbers and are becoming larger than they were in the past.

Also, look at the pit map for 2002 plus the field maps for 2002 (idk if they are posted anywhere), then look at the 2011 pit map. The event that we are currently running involves so much more now than it did then. Back then the Championship was only for FRC, at least from what I can remember.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVED Disney and I still LOVE Disney, but I really do think we may have out grown that. Saint Louis this year was great and I had no complaints. Ok, maybe I had one complaint, the location of the Hall of Fame pits, but that was it. FIRST was very accommodating and the city of Saint Louis couldn't have been better. I enjoyed every minute of my time there. :)

Just my $0.02

Cass

EricH 09-05-2011 20:51

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
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Originally Posted by Dancin103 (Post 1060410)
Back then the Championship was only for FRC, at least from what I can remember.

FLL showed up in 2000, as an exhibition in one of the side tents. I remember tha much. I'm not entirely certain when the World Festival began as a World Festival.

GaryVoshol 09-05-2011 21:14

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
1999-2000 was the first "public" year for FLL. (There was a pilot the year before.)

My daughter's team was invited to Disney in 2002; there may have been exhibitions before. There were about 20 teams invited from about 10 states at that 2002 event, playing the 2001-2 game, Arctic Impact.

jvriezen 10-05-2011 17:45

Re: Bills Blog- Yes, I知 already counting down to kickoff 2012
 
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Originally Posted by StevenB (Post 1059570)
I think he meant to say, "Robot inspectors inspected 352 hostbots and approximately 650 minibots, for a total of 352 robot inspections." :) Did I read the game manual too many times?

As a Curie minibot inspector, I can assure you the number of minibot inspections quoted is way low. They only counted passed minibot inspections, and only some of those. Often times I'd get a mini-bot which was a exact clone of one I'd previously inspected (from the same team) and rather than go look up their paper work and increment the number of minibots represented by a single inspection sheet for clones, I'd just check it over, and put the sticker on it.

This doesn't begin to count the number of minibots that were offered with illegal materials that never passed (some of which were presented to at least three different inspectors trying to find someone who'd let it slide.)


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