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Lil' Lavery 06-05-2011 16:50
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Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1059462)
Okay being a FRC member and knowing your feelings on these subjects I want to know.Why is there so much blame being put on FTC? Being at the Championship the last 2 years the FTC dome field setup has remained the same. It was not their fault at all about the pit fields. It was the concert that caused the move.
Nice assumption. Now give me actual evidence to support it before you go claiming it as fact.

JohnFogarty 06-05-2011 17:01
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1059788)
Nice assumption. Now give me actual evidence to support it before you go claiming it as fact.
Try experience.

The Atlanta World Championship accommodated all 4 FRC divisions, FTC and FLL. The Edwards Jones dome is not that much smaller. The sizing is not the problem.

You try and tell me that if there was no concert they wouldn't have put everything in the dome.

cziggy343 06-05-2011 17:20
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Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1059792)
Try experience.

The Atlanta World Championship accommodated all 4 FRC divisions, FTC and FLL. The Edwards Jones dome is not that much smaller. The sizing is not the problem.

You try and tell me that if there was no concert they wouldn't have put everything in the dome.
So... for THE SECOND TIME I will give you this quote from the Director of FIRST, Bill Miller's Blog:

Quote:
Expect fields in pits at Championship next year. As the FIRST family of programs grows, we need to ensure all programs are represented at Championship. In order to give FTC and FLL fields equal prominence in the Dome, the decision was made this season to reduce the number of FRC fields in the dome. (Believe it or not, this decision was made long before will.i.am committed to hold the ‘half time’ show.) Rather than eliminate Einstein entirely or move one division into the pits and have those teams not compete in the dome, we went with having two fields in the pits and developed the plan to ensure all teams had time in the dome. We’re going to be reviewing pit/dome layout this summer and working to find ways to resolve some of the crowding and noise issues in the pits, but as our other programs grow, don’t expect FRC to have 5 fields in the dome next year.

1986titans 06-05-2011 17:32
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I think the bolded part of that quote is what a lot of the disagreement is over. It says "Believe it or not", and many are choosing the "not" because a couple of sentences in a couple of blog posts aren't seen as sufficient justification. To make such a large decision should require a much more thorough explanation than FIRST was simply trying to give FLL and FTC equal exposure.

EricH 06-05-2011 19:24
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It's the timing. That blog post came out after the concert had been announced. At the time, I think a lot of people figured that it was PR--AKA, trying to make it look better.

I'm not so sure that it is PR, but I think Bill's looking a bit farther forwards into the future right now than we're ready to go. I've got an idea that might help with fitting both FTC and FRC together that I'll pass on to him if I get the chance.

BrendanB 06-05-2011 22:09
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Originally Posted by Bharat Nain (Post 1059754)
Without the BEP stage, we could fit 4 fields in the arena along with FTC and FLL. See attached photo.

I'm conflicted as to whether I like 2 fields in the pits or all of them in the arena. On one hand, the walk and time savings in the pit are great. However, it does lose some professionalism/prestige that the arena itself has.
But FIRST doesn't believe in using angles! :(

That picture is enough to make me cry!

Cory 07-05-2011 01:45
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Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 1059759)
You can fit TEN FRC fields (50x80) on a little bit more space than a regulation NFL field.

What?

Yes. Guess what's a little bit bigger than a regulation NFL field? A football stadiums floor area!

I don't believe HQ's excuses for a second.
Your dimensions are WAY too optimistic. You cannot get away with only 12' extra space on all sides of a FRC field. You're also accounting for those 50'x80' area units being one contiguous block of floorspace which accounts for more than the size of one football field (actually less. 40k sq ft vs 57k sq ft for a football field)

The only usable space is at the perimeter. The middle of the floor is worthless for things other than AV gear and the like. If you were to look at a ring around the outside that is perhaps 80-100 ft wide that's really the usable space you're looking at...and that amount of space is not nearly as large.

Lil' Lavery 07-05-2011 13:20
Re: FIELDS. YES FIELDS.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1059792)
Try experience.

The Atlanta World Championship accommodated all 4 FRC divisions, FTC and FLL. The Edwards Jones dome is not that much smaller. The sizing is not the problem.

You try and tell me that if there was no concert they wouldn't have put everything in the dome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary_inference

Phalanx 07-05-2011 21:09
Re: FIELDS. YES FIELDS.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1059792)
Try experience.

The Atlanta World Championship accommodated all 4 FRC divisions, FTC and FLL. The Edwards Jones dome is not that much smaller. The sizing is not the problem.

You try and tell me that if there was no concert they wouldn't have put everything in the dome.
As far as I have been able to determine via public information the floor space in the Edward Jones Dome is actually larger than the Georgia Dome by about 2500 square feet.

*disclaimer - These numbers may not be completely accurate *
Edward Jones Dome - 104,800 sq. ft. floor with bleachers extended
Georgia Dome - total floor area of 102,149.51 square feet

So without the concert stage, I'm fairly sure they can fit all of it, FRC, FTC and FLL in the dome.

Blackphantom91 08-05-2011 04:27
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I have to ask even if first gave us a written out statement would that be enough? We know they are probably going to keep the fields this way from bills last blog or change it to something else but Ive almost made peace with this. I dont like it but we may just have to live with it almost.:( Although question what should they do for seating though?


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