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nnfuller 10-05-2011 22:57

Problems That Arise and Things You Want
 
Well I am in the IB Art program at my highschool, and I have been doing as much Industrial Design as possible. For a project I thought I would ask what the CD community would like to see in a product. What is a problem that shows up during your season? What is something that could be either rethought or created that teams need or have a use for? Any ideas would be really helpful. so far i thought up:
  • Custom Hex Wrench style tool with FRC specific sizing
  • operator interface as a COT
  • Lego pieces to allow for FRC scale prototyping

Please let me know if you have any ideas. I will post any concept sketches as well as models to this thread.

Hawiian Cadder 10-05-2011 23:18

Re: Problems That Arise and Things You Want
 
an effective heat-sink for rs550 and Fischer price motors might be nice.

Timz3082 11-05-2011 00:25

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A gearbox with compatibility for all motors and ratios.

nnfuller 11-05-2011 09:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timz3082 (Post 1060786)
A gearbox with compatibility for all motors and ratios.

I feel like this gear box fufills this rather nicely: http://www.modulox.com/

The heatsink is a cool idea, maybe a line of heat sinks? For alll FRC motors. Im thinking a way to cool the window motors might be a good idea.

Jon Stratis 11-05-2011 10:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawiian Cadder (Post 1060770)
an effective heat-sink for rs550 and Fischer price motors might be nice.

I second this idea! I lost count of the number of FP motors our team burned out during the elims at North Star this year...

Jared Russell 11-05-2011 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawiian Cadder (Post 1060770)
an effective heat-sink for rs550 and Fischer price motors might be nice.

We would buy a bunch of these.

Bonus points if your heatsink also helps to protect the fragile electrical leads on these motors, as well.

Brikien93 11-05-2011 11:20

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I designed a heat sink for the window motors in Solidworks. If anybody wants the CAD file for it, you can PM me. If you have access to a Waterjet, you can just cut several of them out of a piece of sheet metal and slip them on over the motor.

akoscielski3 11-05-2011 11:47

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MORE FOOD !! we always run out of food during the build season :(

Liz Smith 11-05-2011 11:49

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Yay for Industrial Design. That's my major here at RIT in Rochester, NY.


One idea that I had that I have not yet got around to designing is a system for battery charging. Some searches around here and from other teams will get you some cool battery carts and battery charging stations, but I think there is definitely room for improvement. One of the key problems in my opinion is how to keep track of which batteries are fully charged and how to integrate existing battery chargers into a plug-in cart-like station. You could take into consideration, safety, battery spill clean up, small pit areas, transporting in to and from the event, how to get some of your batteries field side for elimination matches... and that's all I can think of right now but feel free to PM me or email me if you want any other suggestions or have other ideas to share.

For those of you who don't exactly know what industrial design is, I suggest you do a quick google search. I think of it as a combination of art and engineering with a lot of problem solving involved.

Alan Anderson 11-05-2011 12:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liz Smith (Post 1060849)
One of the key problems in my opinion is how to keep track of which batteries are fully charged...

That's what the plastic battery flags are for. I devised them many years ago for the TechnoKats to use, and we gave away hundreds of yellow ones bearing the Team 45 number. AndyMark now puts their own white version in the Kit of Parts. They are intended to be inserted into a battery connector when -- and only when -- you remove a fully charged battery from its charger. You're forced to remove the flag in order to plug a battery into a robot, so you can't forget to mark a battery as used.

Some safety advisors have the mistaken idea that they are "safety plugs" and try to insist that every battery always has one inserted, but that's not how they're supposed to be used.

Taylor 11-05-2011 12:34

Re: Problems That Arise and Things You Want
 
Problem:
Careless team members often put the wrong size/type of hardware in our labeled drawers. It can get a bit frustrating when one is expecting to find a 1 1/2" hexhead bolt and finds practically everything but that in the drawer.
Product:
A dynamic, compartmentalized system that can hold quantities of hardware of varying sizes and types.

M. Mellott 11-05-2011 12:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1060854)
That's what the plastic battery flags are for. I devised them many years ago for the TechnoKats to use, and we gave away hundreds of yellow ones bearing the Team 45 number. AndyMark now puts their own white version in the Kit of Parts. They are intended to be inserted into a battery connector when -- and only when -- you remove a fully charged battery from its charger. You're forced to remove the flag in order to plug a battery into a robot, so you can't forget to mark a battery as used.

Some safety advisors have the mistaken idea that they are "safety plugs" and try to insist that every battery always has one inserted, but that's not how they're supposed to be used.

I love those things! I got several red plastic flags from the TechnoKats at the D.C. Regional last year. Using those in conjunction with AndyMark's white ones, we have a system to put the red flags on batteries after a match so we know it needs to be charged, and then put the white flags in the plugs after the batteries are fully charged. This, as you mentioned, also keeps the Safety Judges happy with a flag in every plug.

Alan Anderson 11-05-2011 13:49

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Originally Posted by M. Mellott (Post 1060861)
I got several red plastic flags from the TechnoKats at the D.C. Regional last year.

We use the red ones as "lockout" indicators. We'll plug one into the robot connector if there's a good reason to keep power from being applied. They also go on batteries that we suspect have a problem and shouldn't be used until someone has checked them out.

Travis Hoffman 11-05-2011 15:13

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Ratcheting T-handle allen wrench set with interchangeable hex keys? :D

A modular system of shelving that permits quick access to standard size parts storage containers without having to unstack the totes sitting on top of the one you really want. One that permits a team to integrate them into their pit in a variety of configurations (8 high x 1 wide, 4 high x 2 wide, etc.)

I second the request for a compact, portable, six-slot battery charging station design that utilizes current kit chargers and can be built with commonly-obtainable materials or old KOP stuff that hardly anyone ever uses. Put a leadscrew on it! Recycle those old 2009 rover wheels.

nnfuller 11-05-2011 23:15

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Would removing the existing sheath on the Fisher Price void it as a legal motor? Removing it would seem to simplify the design of a heat sink for the motor.

Jared Russell 12-05-2011 08:22

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That's a good question. Since it is not an explicitly permitted motor modifcation via <R47>, my guess would be "no", you may not remove the sheath (under 2011 rules).

joeweber 12-05-2011 09:36

Re: Problems That Arise and Things You Want
 
The smaller WACO connectors need to be modified, they are hard to attach wires to and then plug them in so that they stay. I do agree with the need for gear boxes for the small motors, as a small team we can not afford to purchse them from andy mark each year. volume or direction controled air valves would be nice so we can control the pnematics leagally. Linear drive boxes would be great. Rack and pinion gear box to fit the motors we get with the KOP. Mounting boxes or hardware designed for the sensors as ours do not last long and eather get damaged or just quit working. A better mount and wiring system for limit switches. Addapters for the fisher price gear boxes like we use to get with the KOP.

Alan Anderson 12-05-2011 11:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joeweber (Post 1061056)
The smaller WACO connectors need to be modified, they are hard to attach wires to and then plug them in so that they stay.

Are you referring to the white Wago 734-102 connectors? We never have problems with those, unless you count losing track of the proper tool for opening them. You just need to use the right wire (stranded, 14-22 AWG) and strip it to the proper length (7 mm).

czeke 12-05-2011 13:10

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A modular system of shelving that permits quick access to standard size parts storage containers without having to unstack the totes sitting on top of the one you really want. One that permits a team to integrate them into their pit in a variety of configurations (8 high x 1 wide, 4 high x 2 wide, etc.)

Check out the one from Stanley ( can be purchased at Wal-Mart ). The comparments have 3 different sizes and are made interchangeable. You can move them around, since they are individual containers.

M. Mellott 12-05-2011 14:24

Re: Problems That Arise and Things You Want
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1060884)
Ratcheting T-handle allen wrench set with interchangeable hex keys? :D

They already have one: Rogue Tool http://www.garrettwade.com/hex-ratchet-imp/p/76B03.01/

You can find them cheaper on eBay, though.


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