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pSYeNCe 09-06-2011 12:23

FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
I was rather bored in study hall the other day and for some reason started doodling a FIRST logo. As I drew it I had an epiphany: There something hidden in the logo! Consider this image:



And look at the number of sides of each shape.
Triangle: 3
Circle: 1 continuous side
Square: 4

314...? Doesn't that look a bit like... 3.14?! The FIRST logo is a symbolic representation of Pi! If only the (R) symbol came after the triangle somehow. It would be a great decimal.

Now, I don't know if this was done on purpose, but I'd love to think it was. What do you guys think? Great coincidence, or conspiracy of mathematical proportions?

Techhexium 09-06-2011 12:29

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Very nice discovery. I don't think they could have done it in propose, the red triangle in the left is probably positioned that way for aesthetic reasons. Remember that the old FIRST logo had a triangle in the left too.

However, whether a circle has a side or even a continuous one is highly ambiguous.

EDIT: I can argue that a circle can have two sides, one in the outside and one in the inside.

ebarker 09-06-2011 13:04

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
It isn't a conspiracy at all. It is actually Archimedes at work. It's mathematical relationships.

The origins of the logo is explained in this animation: Primitives

It was produced in 2010 by team 116 and shown at the Championship in Atlanta.

Techhexium 09-06-2011 13:30

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
I am familiar of the FIRST logo, but I think the question imposed here is what does the FIRST logo have to do with the mathematical constant Pi? And Archimedes came up with the constant Pi.

ebarker 09-06-2011 13:35

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Archimedes may have 'discovered' the natural number we call pi.

And pi is integral to the mathematics of the objects described in the animation.

And conincidentally, the OP has 'discovered' the three objects has three, one, and four sides.

neato.

Tom Line 09-06-2011 19:34

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
It's a conspiracy, and we're leading it.... :D

Katie_UPS 09-06-2011 20:45

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Does this mean the winners of worlds chairman's get pies of their choice sent to their shop?
Super incentive!

Edit: Jane Younge, I've been reading your posts for too long now :P

Taylor 09-06-2011 23:02

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie_UPS (Post 1065238)
Jane Young, I've been reading your posts for too long now :P

No such thing.

Ryan Himmelblau 10-06-2011 04:23

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Sorry to be a buzz kill, but technically a circle has infinitely many sides.

P.S. Down with Pi! All hail Tau!
(As it is 3 o'clock in the morning I'm not going to give a lengthy explanation but basically Tau = 2Pi. Google it to find out all the ways this make so much more sense than using Pi, G'night everyone)

RyanCahoon 10-06-2011 07:37

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebarker (Post 1065205)
Archimedes may have 'discovered' the natural number we call pi.

[pedantic math nerd ::rtm::]

Technically, pi is a real number, not a natural number...

[/pedantic math nerd]

pSYeNCe 10-06-2011 10:39

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
1: I wasn't entirely sure of the technical number of sides of a circle, so I figured since the angle changes constantly but without variation (unlike polygons that have corners) then it only has one side. But to be honest I'm a conspiracy theorist. I bend these things so they fit :)
2: That was a fascinating video about the origins of the logo- very informative. I vaguely recall learning about that relationship but never realized that it applied to the logo.
3: "Down with pi, all hail Tau"- Totally with you! Have you watched any videos by Vihart on YouTube? She has an excellent explanation of why we should switch.

And, I know it's not actually a conspiracy, just an interesting discovery. My conspiracy-self is a facetious sensationalist.

ebarker 10-06-2011 10:42

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 1065286)
[pedantic math nerd ::rtm::]

Technically, pi is a real number, not a natural number...

[/pedantic math nerd]

Thanks for the correction. I couldn't remember since the development of math came after the development of agriculture.

According to my team, I'm so old I invented agriculture. So obviously the invention of math was after my time.....

Katie_UPS 10-06-2011 20:03

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Himmelblau (Post 1065281)
P.S. Down with Pi! All hail Tau!

But Tau doesn't sound like a delicious desert! :(




P.S. Ignore my rational as I am allergic to pie anyways :P

EDIT: P.P.S. I apologize for all my posts not being the slightest bit constructive and all revolving around food.

JaneYoung 10-06-2011 21:48

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie_UPS (Post 1065238)
Does this mean the winners of worlds chairman's get pies of their choice sent to their shop?
Super incentive!

Edit: Jane Younge, I've been reading your posts for too long now :P


Showing great promise, Katie. :)

What I would like to add is, doodle on, sir, doodle on. Awesome.

Jane

Alan Anderson 10-06-2011 22:46

Re: FIRST: The Pi Conspiracy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie_UPS (Post 1065376)
P.S. Ignore my rational as I am allergic to pie anyways :P

Both pi and tau are irrational, so no problem.


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