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kenavt 07-07-2011 17:47

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Originally Posted by Bob Steele (Post 1068143)
If we are to move to a District model we have to take into consideration situations where we have double regionals. In Washington we presently have one double regional... This could not really be broken into 2 district events because it would not be possible to participate in 2 events when they are held at the same time. There is discussion of adding another event in Spokane and we do have the Portland regional which is in close proximity to the state.

Having several small regionals in a state takes a considerable amount of planning and volunteer effort. i would think that these district events would appear on the surface to take less effort but in reality I would think that they would take about the same time and effort to set up and man as a normal regional. I know that it is one less day for volunteers... but the planning and set up/takedown would be virtually the same.

I know that the points system in Michigan now allows the same number of teams to go to Championships. It also has resulted in different teams going because the points systems rewards accomplishments that are not rewarded in the present Regional System (Only the winning team and the RCA and EI award winners presently get the ticket... for regionals...) I like this system actually... but I am not sure exactly how it has worked out for Michigan...

In a regional where there are a well defined set of strong teams you will (for good reason) see those teams qualify for CMP in either scenario. It might be better to reward teams for consistent performance over several district events (the present district model in Michigan .. I believe.)

I am not sure how this has worked out when it comes to the RCA or EI in Michigan... Is (Are) there a team(s) out there that can shed some light on their experiences with qualifying for CMP under the District model?

I am not really sure how it works...
thanks!

To clarify, there are the same number of spots open as there were in 2008, when there were three regionals, but there are many more teams. So, less teams manage to qualify for Worlds.

Our route to St. Louis started with two district competitions, plus an additional third which did not count for state ranking points. You get state ranking points for winning matches, which alliance you land on and when, where you end up in eliminations, and awards (except for Chairman's, which gives zero points but is an automatic bid to the State Championship). The awards have various point totals from zero to ten. The top sixty or so teams are qualified for the state championship (out of over one hundred and fifty teams). There are NO teams qualified for the World Championship straight out of districts.

At the State Championship, the winning alliance qualify to Worlds. Then, three of the Chairman's teams (out of nine this year) also qualify. Then, two Engineering Inspiration teams (out of the nine districts again) qualify for Worlds, and one team for the Website Award. That leaves nine qualification spots, which are given to the nine teams with the most state ranking points who are not already qualified or have not already signed up (open registration, pre-qualifiers, etc.), and how 2337 got in. That is how most of the very competitive Michigan teams get in, who did not manage to win (and may not have a strong awards program).

GaryVoshol 07-07-2011 18:03

Re: Bill's Blog
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kenavt (Post 1068321)
To clarify, there are the same number of spots open as there were in 2008, when there were three regionals, but there are many more teams. So, less teams manage to qualify for Worlds.

Our route to St. Louis started with two district competitions, plus an additional third which did not count for state ranking points. You get state ranking points for winning matches, which alliance you land on and when, where you end up in eliminations, and awards (except for Chairman's, which gives zero points but is an automatic bid to the State Championship). The awards have various point totals from zero to ten. The top sixty or so teams are qualified for the state championship (out of over one hundred and fifty teams). There are NO teams qualified for the World Championship straight out of districts.

At the State Championship, the winning alliance qualify to Worlds. Then, three of the Chairman's teams (out of nine this year) also qualify. Then, two Engineering Inspiration teams (out of the nine districts again) qualify for Worlds, and one team for the Website Award. That leaves nine qualification spots, which are given to the nine teams with the most state ranking points who are not already qualified or have not already signed up (open registration, pre-qualifiers, etc.), and how 2337 got in. That is how most of the very competitive Michigan teams get in, who did not manage to win (and may not have a strong awards program).

I believe the 9th reserved spot is for State Rookie All Star award winner, not Website.

dodar 07-07-2011 18:12

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Can someone post what the point values are for the Michigan district sytem rankings?

kenavt 07-07-2011 20:06

Re: Bill's Blog
 
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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1068323)
I believe the 9th reserved spot is for State Rookie All Star award winner, not Website.

I do believe you're right, actually. I was counting up the spots, and I wasn't sure about that last one.

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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1068325)
Can someone post what the point values are for the Michigan district sytem rankings?

You can find them on firstinmichigan.org, by looking at any district's data. All the state ranking points are posted online.

EricH 07-07-2011 20:51

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Originally Posted by kenavt (Post 1068332)
You can find them on firstinmichigan.org, by looking at any district's data. All the state ranking points are posted online.

What he's after is what each award is worth, not necessarily who has how many points. For that, the MI Rules Supplement (found under the FRC Events--2011 Season tab) is best. See section 5 of said rules supplement.


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