Re: Best Team Never To Win at Championships?
 

Karthik, or anyone else:
Do you have any pictures or videos of this robot? I have heard a lot about it but have never gotten to see any visuals.
Thanks,
-Duke

Re: Best Team Never To Win at Championships?
 

It's important to note here that in 1998 there were only 3 regionals, IIRC. That means that 47 won 3/4 of the possible events that year, and were shut out of their championship win because of the double teaming. That's domination.

I have to concur on 233 however. They've always been strong, but especially so in the last 5 years, winning divisions in 07, 08 and 10, and finalist in 2011. This comes in addition to 5 regional wins in that same time. They've been as close as 1 match from championship gold, and the repeated success in divisional play gives them the nod from me.

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Not to mention division finalist in 05 and 06. I would say that Pink only has had one off year since 2005 (and probably much longer before this) and that was 09. Also, if you remember Pink was only 5 point from taking the Championship in 07. I would have to agree that Pink definitely deserves a championship soon.

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Before this season it was definitely team 254 and now I will say that 233 is now long overdue just due to their long history of excellence and performance. It is true that 2056 has had 11 consecutive regional wins, but 233 has been playing at a consistently high level for a longer period of time.

Teams also in need of a win: 2056, 968, 33, and 16.

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Here's some:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/13088
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/13069
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/13156
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12952
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12953
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12954
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12951
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12950
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12949
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12948

Re: Best Team Never To Win at Championships?
 

Andy Baker's also been good enough to provide video of one of the most amazing matches of all time (featuring 47): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FJFbvHRyco

It's remarkable how easily the robot picks up the balls, especially considering the drivers are across the field, with obstructions.

Re: Best Team Never To Win at Championships?
 

1625 deserves a nod. In the past 4 years, they have 3 regional wins, 3 regional finalists, a division win, and so many other stacked alliances that nearly upset strong opponents (Midwest 2008, Midwest 2010, Midwest 2011). They've been arguably as consistent or more consistent than "traditional" Midwest powerhouses like 111 and 71.

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Wow. Are those really casters in the back with Crab Pods in the front? :ahh:
Very very cool robot. Thank you for the pictures.

Re: Best Team Never To Win at Championships?
 

I'll have to nominate 2056, 233 and 968.

It's only a matter of time...

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Watch next year that be the winning alliance lol

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They weren't just five points away--they were inches from the title, since 179 got stopped just shy of scoring on 71's ramp.

In the modern era of FRC, 233 has been too good for too long to be anything less than The Best Team Not To Win It All. Take nothing away from 2056's impressive accomplishments, but by the time they made Einstein in 2010, Pink was over on the other side of the bracket with their fourth division champion trophy (and if you went a little further back in their trophy room, you'd see a pair of division finalist trophies in there too).

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If it wasn't for penalties to their alliance partner, 233 (and 968) would have eliminated 1114 in the semi-finals on Einstein 2008. Pink is, without question, both the best team to not have a championship, and the most successful team to not have a championship.

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If 233 and 968 won, then I think we could all agree that 1114 would be the best team without a title. If I recall correctly 233 and 968 won the first match (217 fell over during that match, so it wasn't very close). The second match was won by 1114's alliance, but only after penalties (G22 was a killer in 08). Then in the final match 968 missed a premature hurdle, and fired a ball out of bounds, and it seemed like without those minor mistakes they would have been able to win. I think those three matches make up the best round of matches in FIRST history.


233 and 968 have definitely been as strong as many past champions, and deserve a championship simply based on how close they've come. 2056 is younger so they haven't been waiting as long as teams like 233, but given the way they perform in regionals it is surprising they haven't won it all.

I think 1717 deserves mention. They haven't been waiting as long, but they have been divisions finalists a number of times. I think it's easy to forget how good they were in 08. They seeded second in Galileo (a field that included 1114, 217, 148, 330, 254, 103, 25, 40, 121). Then they lost to the eventual champions. Then in 2009 they lost in the division finals to the eventual champions again. It may not be quite as close as 233 and 968 have come, but they certainly came a lot closer than it may appear on first glance.

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Does 25 have a WC?

Re: Best Team Never To Win at Championships?
 

Yup, all the way back in 2000