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Andrew Lawrence 20-07-2011 10:44

Printing out robot parts
 
My uncle sent me this video of a company who can make durable tools with movable parts, and just about anything else, using a 3D printer. Does anyone know if this would be a good idea for making robot pieces? Just send them the CAD design and get your piece, colored and everything, within the nest day or so. It seems easy enough.

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxM...layer_embedded

Enjoy!

Trent B 20-07-2011 11:08

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2502 used some 3d printed ABS parts this past year. They were very durable but one thing to consider is 3d printing is not cheap and will very quickly make you approach your $3500 BOM limit

rsisk 20-07-2011 11:09

Re: Printing out robot parts
 
I watched that video and what I don't understand is how they make the parts like the worm screw. Obviously there are parts of the screw mechanism that cannot be scanned, how does the printer know how to make the "hidden" portions of those parts?

Chexposito 20-07-2011 11:22

Re: Printing out robot parts
 
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Originally Posted by rsisk (Post 1069788)
I watched that video and what I don't understand is how they make the parts like the worm screw. Obviously there are parts of the screw mechanism that cannot be scanned, how does the printer know how to make the "hidden" portions of those parts?

it just goes one layer at a time, it's all a specific type of CAD that is sent to the printer. We used the one our school got this year and made some sensor mounts on it and some gear spacers. Since you can just about make anything we created a sensor mount that both held and protected the encoders they held. we even created our own threads in the model. these saved our lives and we made several caps (the part that protected the encoder and screwed in). considering the matches some valuable encoders could have been damaged these things became popular with those in the pit. we also were able to print out a crab pod in the pre-season that we had designed with the intent of using in the game if the game fit a crab drive.

Peter Matteson 20-07-2011 12:16

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We print out spacers and encoder gears all the time using ABS in our lab.

There are several more teams that do this as well.

I'm waiting for this process we use at work to get cheap enough though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_...aser_sintering

Mike8519 20-07-2011 19:47

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We printed out the toothed belt pulley for our lifter gearbox. It's nice to have a mentor whose company owns a uPrint. made several sizes for prototyping and they stood up to a lot of punishment

Madison 20-07-2011 19:56

Re: Printing out robot parts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsisk (Post 1069788)
I watched that video and what I don't understand is how they make the parts like the worm screw. Obviously there are parts of the screw mechanism that cannot be scanned, how does the printer know how to make the "hidden" portions of those parts?

There was a bit of TV magic involved in the process. The worm on the printed wrench is significantly changed from that of the original.

DonRotolo 20-07-2011 23:38

Re: Printing out robot parts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsisk (Post 1069788)
I watched that video and what I don't understand is how they make the parts like the worm screw. Obviously there are parts of the screw mechanism that cannot be scanned, how does the printer know how to make the "hidden" portions of those parts?

TV magic indeed. They scanned the wrench, but then had to actually design the pieces inside. Once designed though printing is trivial (but that wrench took 2 hours to print).

Lil' Lavery 21-07-2011 00:04

Re: Printing out robot parts
 
"3D Printing" is often a marketing term for many different forms of technology. Find out which specific technology you're sponsor/school/machine shop has available to you and what it's strengths, weaknesses, and associated costs are.

I've used FDM for a school project before. I'd offer tips or tricks, but I don't really have any. We were able to machine the part after printing to make adjustments that our final design called for.

Metalcrafters 21-07-2011 00:14

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We are lucky enough to have our own uprint. This past year we took advantage of it. Maily because we wanted to take a chance on manufacturing parts as we slept. Here is a list of parts we used:
Wheels 6wd
Bearing blocks supporting the wheels
Drum for our cable lift
Bearing glides for lift mechanism
Main body for our manipulator
Couple other parts I am forgetting about.

Design, intent and part orientation are key. Not all parts should be printed but I believe that we proved we could use printed parts as vital parts.

In the end we saved machine time, weight, we all know how valuable each of these items are.

Trent B 21-07-2011 01:05

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We get our printing done by Redeye/Stratasys when we get it done (so FDM type). If I remember right this was printed with ABS for about 200 or 300 bucks (it would have been cheaper had we CADed holes in it.



We also had a scale model of our robot printed.



That is sitting on a 13" macbook for scale and it printed the gears inside the gearboxes and the fans in the RS775s

The more interesting part about the scale model is there was no "support material" used to model that as far as I am aware, it was all printed "free form" because of the viscosity of the melted plastic, so all parts that extend horizontally were printed unsupported.

Chickenonastick 21-07-2011 01:09

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Funny, a mentor of ours sent us the exact same link yesterday. :yikes:

George C 21-07-2011 21:42

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Check out www.reprap.org for a 3D printer you can build yourself. Once you have built one, you can use it to print parts for another one.

team222badbrad 27-07-2011 23:43

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3D printing is definitely a great tool for some robot parts.

As I am the owner of Print To 3D and mentor of 222; I have donated machine time and material to them.

This past year we used several FDM parts on our robot such as:

A pulley/capturing device for surgical tubing.
Spacers
Transmission pneumatic shifting mount
Encoder mount for elevator.

In addition I also printed up an entire transmission for display as seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6naPPiQOw

Also as previously mentioned the wrench replication video is misleading.
If you want to read up on it see here:
http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2011/7/20/3...ntroversy.html

I had to deal with lots of phone calls and emails as one of my videos is "related" to this controversial wrench video on Youtube. Some were non believers while others were amazed they didn't know this technology existed.

In addition to using 3D printed parts on our robots many FIRST related companies such as AndyMark also use printed prototypes to verify their products are ready for competition before expensive tooling is ever made.
http://printo3d.com/andymark.html

Bradley

pfreivald 27-09-2011 21:49

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Pardon the threadomancy, but I was wondering if anyone had specific recommendations on a machine for a FIRST Team who might have stumbled upon a few thousand dollars specifically for the purchase of a 3D printer...

All I really know about the technology is that it's really neat and that there are people who want to acquire one for our technology department and FIRST team, so any suggestions on technologies to acquire, brands to investigate or avoid (and why), etc would be most appreciated!

Thanks!

Patrick


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