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Dillon Carey 14-08-2011 12:25

pic: Don't do this. It's a bad idea.
 

=Martin=Taylor= 14-08-2011 12:27

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Not a suspension.

What's going on in those wheels? Looks like a lot of linkages.

Cuog 14-08-2011 12:44

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Looks like a psuedo suspension. The wheels look to be able to tilt up/down which would help a little in covering uneven terrain. One problem is that the pivot for the suspension is in a different plane than the U-Joint so there would be a tendency to try and stretch the U Joint unless it has something like a slip-yoke.

Marc S. 14-08-2011 12:44

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Looks like a possible crab module, with 2 wheels spread apart for stability, a differential in the center for better turning and U-joints for smooth suspension. Maybe next years surface will be very bumpy.:rolleyes:

MrForbes 14-08-2011 12:49

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Looks like the robot version of an automotive Independent Rear Suspension (IRS).

That's a really neat project to do when you're bored! nice

SenorZ 14-08-2011 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc S. (Post 1073090)
Maybe next years surface will be very bumpy.:rolleyes:

I think a rough terrain game is inevitable... and would be very cool. There seems to be a lot of teams that perfect their preferred drive train in the off season and spend the time during build season focusing on game play. Making a bumpy playing field could help, er, level the playing field for newer teams... like mine!

Chris is me 14-08-2011 13:28

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Okay, I'm going to try and describe this. It's a swerve module with a differential connecting both wheels, and flex couplings to allow for some sort of suspension.

I can't possibly imagine its use in FRC.

Andrew Schreiber 14-08-2011 13:38

Re: pic: Don't do this. It's a bad idea.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1073095)
Okay, I'm going to try and describe this. It's a swerve module with a differential connecting both wheels, and flex couplings to allow for some sort of suspension.

I can't possibly imagine its use in FRC.

Coaxial swerve modules with a suspension and differential aren't normal. But on Winnovation they are.

Winnovation: Not even once.

Michael Blake 14-08-2011 14:01

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I can't figure out why you have four Bevel gears (forming a box, differential?) connected to the left wheel... couldn't you achieve the same by extending the shaft from the right wheel directly to drive the left wheel?

THANKS!

lemiant 14-08-2011 14:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Blake (Post 1073098)
I can't figure out why you have four Bevel gears (forming a box) connected to the left wheel... couldn't you achieve the same by extending the shaft from the right wheel directly to drive the left wheel?

THANKS!

Actually the box results in the two turning in opposite directions.

MrForbes 14-08-2011 14:08

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The differential is used in the drive axle of cars, read about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differe...ical_device%29

Michael Blake 14-08-2011 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lemiant (Post 1073099)
Actually the box results in the two turning in opposite directions.

RIGHT, but you wouldn't want them to turn oppositely, correct?

This has me scratching-my-head... ;-)

EricH 14-08-2011 14:17

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Actually, Michael, lemiant didn't have a chance to read squirrel's link yet. I would suggest reading that link, then figuring out the drive system.

Short version: If both can go the same way at the same speed, both go the same way at the same speed. But if one of them can't keep that speed up, then it doesn't have to due to the way the differential is set up.

Tristan Lall 14-08-2011 14:19

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Wouldn't this work better with constant velocity joints (rather than universal joints)?

And are you using the universal joint as two of the members in a four-bar linkage that holds up the wheel? If so, isn't it just going to deflect to the maximum? (Or am I missing a spring somewhere?)

This would be a fun stock design to keep around...just to tempt people when FIRST decides to give us some real obstacles.

Cuog 14-08-2011 14:21

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBm-S...eature=related

Here's an animation of how a differential operates for those confused.


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