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J.Warsoff 27-08-2011 21:09

Multitool: redone
 
Hello again. i deleted the last thread on this because of the unessacary debating going on in it. Time to get past that and do it simpler.

Anyways, I've narrowed my choices to these multi tools:

-Leatherman Fuse (if i dont need the knife, i can also get a knifeless version)
-Leatherman Blast
-Leatherman PS4

Which one of these would be the best one for mainly electrical but also mechanical work? If there is another one you would suggest in the low to mid price ranges, I'm all ear (or fingers, since this is the Internet)

ChuckDickerson 27-08-2011 21:51

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Well since I was in the middle of replying to the last thread when you deleted it here is what I had to say (may be irrelevant now but anyway):

I have a Leatherman Wave in black oxide. I like it and think it is a quality tool. I like the fact that it has 2 knife blades. One is serrated and the other isn't. They both open from the outside rather than having to open the pliers up to get to a knife inside. You can also get a bit kit (flat, Phillips, hex, etc.) for it that is handy. If you are interested in a Wave note that there are a few different models. Stainless vs. black, one with a blasting cap crimper made for EOD, and models with scissors vs. seat belt cutter.

What I would REALLY like is a multi-tool like a Leatherman Wave but with dikes rather than the needle nose pliers. Needle nose pliers are fine and all but I seem to need to cut things like wire and zip-ties more often than I need to pinch things with the pliers. Maybe that's just me. If anyone knows of a good quality multi-tool geared specifically toward electrical/electronics work with dikes, crimpers, and wire strippers please let me know. I've looked for years and never found exactly what I have in mind.

As far as the whole issue of having a knife at school: I am old school. Every guy I knew in high school had a knife in his pocket and during hunting season had at least one rifle or shotgun in his truck in the school parking lot. This was never an issue other than the day the vice-president visited our school and the Secret Service told the Principle to tell everyone to leave their "weapons" at home. Times are different now I guess. :rolleyes: My point is a knife is a tool not a weapon. It can be used as a weapon but so can a baseball bat, but schools still have baseball teams. I'm fairly certain you must have access to other tools like screwdrivers, hammers, and other knife blades wherever you build your robot that could be used as a weapon. I wouldn't limit your choices to only multi-tools that don't have a knife blade. If this is a problem at your school just remove the blade. If nothing else you can get some practice with an angle grinder. :D

J.Warsoff 27-08-2011 21:56

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woops my bad man. haha. but yea the black oxide ones are cool. i also added the Fuse Black Oxide edition to the list

Andrew Schreiber 27-08-2011 22:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 1075025)
Every guy I knew in high school had a knife in his pocket and during hunting season had at least one rifle or shotgun in his truck in the school parking lot. This was never an issue other than the day the vice-president visited our school and the Secret Service told the Principle to tell everyone to leave their "weapons" at home. Times are different now I guess.

Yup... I'm not old enough to have experienced it but I know that in some places you can have a gun in your vehicle during hunting season. You know it is ridiculous when, in college, you can't keep your shotgun in the car for skeet shooting if you are on campus despite there being an active skeet shooting club paid for by the university... Stupid zero tolerance.

PAR_WIG1350 27-08-2011 23:25

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I have a Victorinox Cybertool 41 and I love it. Its worth it even if you just get it for the screwdrivers. It has eight interchangeable bits and if you remove the bit from the main screwdriver, it functions as two sizes of nut driver, the bottle opener has a large slotted head driver integrated into it and the can opener has a small slotted head, there is an even smaller slotted head on the other side of the tool, and there is a removable screwdriver for eyeglasses.

t also has a chisel (the kind that you push, not the kind you use with a hammer) which is great for cutting the traces on PCBs. It has a great metal/wood file that I use all the time and what is supposed to be a metal saw, but I only use it for thin wood and plastic since it is really just a skinny file and would take forever to cut through metal, but it is great for expanding holes in all three materials. The pliers, crimper, wire cutter, and stripper were designed for thin wire and lack the capacity/leverage for large jobs, but this is the only drawback I have found and the construction is solid.

Unfortunately, Victorinox seems to have stopped producing the multitool in favor of the smaller multitools from the Cybertool series which lack the files and some other tools, but the 41 is still available from some sources. Most of them seem to have raised the price since they stopped producing it, but if you can find it for a reasonable price, It is a great multitool.

J.Warsoff 28-08-2011 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PAR_WIG1350 (Post 1075043)
I have a Victorinox Cybertool 41 and I love it. Its worth it even if you just get it for the screwdrivers. It has eight interchangeable bits and if you remove the bit from the main screwdriver, it functions as two sizes of nut driver, the bottle opener has a large slotted head driver integrated into it and the can opener has a small slotted head, there is an even smaller slotted head on the other side of the tool, and there is a removable screwdriver for eyeglasses.

t also has a chisel (the kind that you push, not the kind you use with a hammer) which is great for cutting the traces on PCBs. It has a great metal/wood file that I use all the time and what is supposed to be a metal saw, but I only use it for thin wood and plastic since it is really just a skinny file and would take forever to cut through metal, but it is great for expanding holes in all three materials. The pliers, crimper, wire cutter, and stripper were designed for thin wire and lack the capacity/leverage for large jobs, but this is the only drawback I have found and the construction is solid.

Unfortunately, Victorinox seems to have stopped producing the multitool in favor of the smaller multitools from the Cybertool series which lack the files and some other tools, but the 41 is still available from some sources. Most of them seem to have raised the price since they stopped producing it, but if you can find it for a reasonable price, It is a great multitool.

It looks nice, but not what im looking for exactly. the cybertol is more o a swiss army knife, and im looking for a folding multitool like Leatherman. thanks for the suggestion though

PAR_WIG1350 28-08-2011 01:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerosound (Post 1075047)
It looks nice, but not what im looking for exactly. the cybertol is more o a swiss army knife, and im looking for a folding multitool like Leatherman. thanks for the suggestion though

Then I recommend a Gerber tool, some even have replaceable blades on the wire cutters. I recommend this due to the reasonable price and locking blades (I've had a bad experience with non-locking blades, not from this company, but it's not a bad feature to have).

J.Warsoff 28-08-2011 02:52

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Im not a big Gerber fan. Anyways, i found a place where I can get either a Fuse or a Blast with a cap crimper for under 50 bucks, which is perfect.

Chris is me 28-08-2011 03:38

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Get the kinfeless one if you're a student.

Karibou 28-08-2011 13:21

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I've had a Blast for about 3 years, and I love it. It's been fantastic for most on-the-fly work, mostly mechanical. I've used it to put on masterlinks and cut zip ties, and many things in betwen. Keep in mind that a multitool will never do as good of a job as the real tools.

I don't do much electrical work at all, but it does an adequate job of cutting and stripping small wires (but you REALLY want to use proper tools for that unless you're desperate). Is there any specific electrical things that you think you would use it for?

With the topic of knives in schools...I can't exactly encourage you to break whatever rule your school has in place (assuming you're using it there, or that your team is based out of a school, or that this is even relevant), but that's your decision to make based on whether or not you want to break rules and how much the school enforces the policy.

GCentola 28-08-2011 22:17

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This post has inspired me to consider getting my own! Im thinking about the Leatherman Blast!

Mk.32 29-08-2011 02:37

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Yeah this post also got me thinking...
But in my limited experiences with Multitools (mostly really cheap ones..) they are convenient but it is usually better just to get the single purpose tool for the job...
Though the convenience is nice...

Brandon Holley 29-08-2011 09:08

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I really like the Skeletool: http://www.leatherman.com/product/Skeletool_CX

I've found that many of the tools on a "regular" leatherman are rarely used. For me the Skeletool has exactly what you need and nothing more. If I need something more specific, then I should probably not be using a leatherman to do that task anyway.

Just my $.02

-Brando

J.Warsoff 29-08-2011 11:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1075083)
I've had a Blast for about 3 years, and I love it. It's been fantastic for most on-the-fly work, mostly mechanical. I've used it to put on masterlinks and cut zip ties, and many things in betwen. Keep in mind that a multitool will never do as good of a job as the real tools.

I don't do much electrical work at all, but it does an adequate job of cutting and stripping small wires (but you REALLY want to use proper tools for that unless you're desperate). Is there any specific electrical things that you think you would use it for?

With the topic of knives in schools...I can't exactly encourage you to break whatever rule your school has in place (assuming you're using it there, or that your team is based out of a school, or that this is even relevant), but that's your decision to make based on whether or not you want to break rules and how much the school enforces the policy.

Well actually, since robotics takes place afterschool, and the fact that we work in an autoshop, the knife rule does not totally apply. A bunch of my friends on the team have multitools and use it during robotics.

J.Warsoff 29-08-2011 11:38

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About the school rules everyone, basically, kids on the robotics teams are allowed to have multitools and such during robotics sessions afterschool. We may work in a school, but it's an autoshop, which is basically filled with knives and dangerous tools.

All I'm saying is that I'm not worried about having the multitool during robotics, because the knife rules don't apply afterschool during robotics for our team.

Karibou 29-08-2011 14:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerosound (Post 1075147)
Well actually, since robotics takes place afterschool, and the fact that we work in an autoshop, the knife rule does not totally apply. A bunch of my friends on the team have multitools and use it during robotics.

If you have no need to worry about rules, then get the one with the knife. It's useful, since the scissors aren't always the greatest.

That being said, remember not to bring the tool to school during school hours :P

J.Warsoff 29-08-2011 14:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1075170)
If you have no need to worry about rules, then get the one with the knife. It's useful, since the scissors aren't always the greatest.

That being said, remember not to bring the tool to school during school hours :P

gotcha. Im still deciding whether i should go with the fuse or the blast. i geuss it will be also which one my folks let me get (my mom is a stereotypical worrywart. she gets scared if i pick up a screwdriver :P. thank god my dad is a handyman)

GCentola 29-08-2011 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerosound (Post 1075173)
gotcha. Im still deciding whether i should go with the fuse or the blast.)

Not only did this thread get me thinking on buying my own, I'm also down to the fuse or blast. I think I might go with the blast, because it isn't much more expensive, at least on Amazon. The fuse is 33 and the blast is 36, and both are eligible for free shipping :D

J.Warsoff 29-08-2011 16:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GCentola (Post 1075181)
Not only did this thread get me thinking on buying my own, I'm also down to the fuse or blast. I think I might go with the blast, because it isn't much more expensive, at least on Amazon. The fuse is 33 and the blast is 36, and both are eligible for free shipping :D

yea. the versions im looking at are a little more, cause i might go with the black oxide version with the cap crimpers. only about 10 dollars more

GCentola 29-08-2011 16:29

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I dont do much electrical work, so the cap crimpers would be unnecessary to me. As for the black oxide, it does look very nice! I have heard some stories where the black oxide coating rubs off and turns your hands black though. From searching around, it looks like Amazon has the cheapest prices. I also found this video, if it helps (and you haven't already seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6IfJyIomyA)

Karibou 29-08-2011 20:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GCentola (Post 1075181)
Not only did this thread get me thinking on buying my own, I'm also down to the fuse or blast. I think I might go with the blast, because it isn't much more expensive, at least on Amazon. The fuse is 33 and the blast is 36, and both are eligible for free shipping :D

For the extra 3 dollars, you basically get the file (which I've only used a few times: the handle makes it awkward unless you're desperate), the tiny screwdriver (SO USEFUL), and the saw (never used). I'm slightly biased, but 3 tools for 3 dollars seems like a good deal :P

GCentola 29-08-2011 20:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1075230)
I'm slightly biased, but 3 tools for 3 dollars seems like a good deal :P

Those were my thoughts exactly! I'm not sure about the saw or file, but its the tiny screwdriver that is winning me over. There are so many times that that would be useful.

JamesCH95 31-08-2011 08:35

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Get this Swiss Tool. Probably can be found for cheaper elsewhere. I know its more expensive, but its worth every penny.

Reasons:

-All tools are accessible from the outside. Seems trivial, but makes life WAY easier and way faster in the pit when 30s matters.
-100% stainless steel, won't ever rust, corrode, or bind up.
-Has two wire-stripping elements and work very well. I've done up to 4awg with it.
-The back of the pliers is notched to crimp wires, and it also works very well. Be sure to make the pirate noise when crimping because no multi-tool can beat a real wire crimper.
-Has a wood saw, that works well, I've built a bed frame with mine.
-It has a metal saw that works well as well as a fine and coarse file. Great for filing down those sharp edges and zip-tie tails and cutting off long bolts at inspection.
-A somewhat real Phillips screw driver tip that works perfectly for Victors and Jags.
-Incredibly solid locking mechanism makes it very safe to use, and is the easiest safety to release that I've ever used.

I have had mine for over 10 years, including the original leather case. It has built 6 robots (4 as a student and 2 as a coach) and 3 FSAE cars when I was in college. It has been a loyal pit tool for all of these machines. Before I had it, it was my Dad's. He used it on arctic and antarctic field expeditions. It has been frozen, doused in salt water, dropped, repeatedly hit with a hammer (yes, I've used the chisel tool, more that once), been used as a hammer, covered in sand, dirt, metal shavings, heated up (rubber band around handle = instant soldering stand or welding jig), thoroughly used and completely abused. Other students and coaches on my team love using it. The knife blades are still sharp. All of the joints are still snug, they haven't gotten loose and sloppy like so many Leathermans have.

Put simply: I've owned 4 leathermans, a SOG, and a number of other multi-tools and this is the one that I still have.

J.Warsoff 31-08-2011 12:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1075455)
Get this Swiss Tool. Probably can be found for cheaper elsewhere. I know its more expensive, but its worth every penny.

Reasons:

-All tools are accessible from the outside. Seems trivial, but makes life WAY easier and way faster in the pit when 30s matters.
-100% stainless steel, won't ever rust, corrode, or bind up.
-Has two wire-stripping elements and work very well. I've done up to 4awg with it.
-The back of the pliers is notched to crimp wires, and it also works very well. Be sure to make the pirate noise when crimping because no multi-tool can beat a real wire crimper.
-Has a wood saw, that works well, I've built a bed frame with mine.
-It has a metal saw that works well as well as a fine and coarse file. Great for filing down those sharp edges and zip-tie tails and cutting off long bolts at inspection.
-A somewhat real Phillips screw driver tip that works perfectly for Victors and Jags.
-Incredibly solid locking mechanism makes it very safe to use, and is the easiest safety to release that I've ever used.

I have had mine for over 10 years, including the original leather case. It has built 6 robots (4 as a student and 2 as a coach) and 3 FSAE cars when I was in college. It has been a loyal pit tool for all of these machines. Before I had it, it was my Dad's. He used it on arctic and antarctic field expeditions. It has been frozen, doused in salt water, dropped, repeatedly hit with a hammer (yes, I've used the chisel tool, more that once), been used as a hammer, covered in sand, dirt, metal shavings, heated up (rubber band around handle = instant soldering stand or welding jig), thoroughly used and completely abused. Other students and coaches on my team love using it. The knife blades are still sharp. All of the joints are still snug, they haven't gotten loose and sloppy like so many Leathermans have.

Put simply: I've owned 4 leathermans, a SOG, and a number of other multi-tools and this is the one that I still have.

That is really nice, and I will definitely keep it in mind. The only problem is, it's over my strict 50 dollar price range. I can try to convince my folks though.

JamesCH95 31-08-2011 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerosound (Post 1075480)
That is really nice, and I will definitely keep it in mind. The only problem is, it's over my strict 50 dollar price range. I can try to convince my folks though.

This is one of those tools where you'll really hate getting a cheaper one, i.e. penny wise, pound foolish. It will be with you for 20+ years. Good luck with the parents ;)

Andy Baker 31-08-2011 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1075455)
Get this Swiss Tool. Probably can be found for cheaper elsewhere. I know its more expensive, but its worth every penny.

That's the same one I have, and I agree with all of the points James mentions. I paid about $90 for it, at a knife shop last summer in Santa Fe, NM.

Andy B.

Joe Ross 31-08-2011 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1075483)
This is one of those tools where you'll really hate getting a cheaper one, i.e. penny wise, pound foolish. It will be with you for 20+ years. Good luck with the parents ;)

Another apropos saying would be "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". I don't think there's a problem with a high school student getting a slightly cheaper, but still good quality tool at this point in his life, especially considering its a gift. In a few years, he'll have several years experience with a multitool and will be better able to decide what he really needs, and can make the best decision then. Hopefully, he'll also have a well paying job.

J.Warsoff 31-08-2011 14:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1075491)
Hopefully, he'll also have a well paying job.

Yes, hopefully...

GCentola 31-08-2011 14:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerosound (Post 1075492)
Yes, hopefully...

I hear there is this amazing program called FIRST that prepares people for jobs in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics, some of which are high paying. :P

DonRotolo 31-08-2011 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerosound (Post 1075148)
basically filled with knives and dangerous tools.

Yeah, like our teammates :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by GCentola (Post 1075493)
I hear there is this amazing program called FIRST that prepares people for jobs in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics, some of which are high paying. :P

Wow, possibly a HPJIE*? How cool would that be?


*High Paying Job In Electronics.

Bob Steele 01-09-2011 15:53

Re: Multitool: redone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1075455)
Get this Swiss Tool. Probably can be found for cheaper elsewhere. I know its more expensive, but its worth every penny.

Reasons:

-All tools are accessible from the outside. Seems trivial, but makes life WAY easier and way faster in the pit when 30s matters.
-100% stainless steel, won't ever rust, corrode, or bind up.
-Has two wire-stripping elements and work very well. I've done up to 4awg with it.
-The back of the pliers is notched to crimp wires, and it also works very well. Be sure to make the pirate noise when crimping because no multi-tool can beat a real wire crimper.
-Has a wood saw, that works well, I've built a bed frame with mine.
-It has a metal saw that works well as well as a fine and coarse file. Great for filing down those sharp edges and zip-tie tails and cutting off long bolts at inspection.
-A somewhat real Phillips screw driver tip that works perfectly for Victors and Jags.
-Incredibly solid locking mechanism makes it very safe to use, and is the easiest safety to release that I've ever used.

I have had mine for over 10 years, including the original leather case. It has built 6 robots (4 as a student and 2 as a coach) and 3 FSAE cars when I was in college. It has been a loyal pit tool for all of these machines. Before I had it, it was my Dad's. He used it on arctic and antarctic field expeditions. It has been frozen, doused in salt water, dropped, repeatedly hit with a hammer (yes, I've used the chisel tool, more that once), been used as a hammer, covered in sand, dirt, metal shavings, heated up (rubber band around handle = instant soldering stand or welding jig), thoroughly used and completely abused. Other students and coaches on my team love using it. The knife blades are still sharp. All of the joints are still snug, they haven't gotten loose and sloppy like so many Leathermans have.

Put simply: I've owned 4 leathermans, a SOG, and a number of other multi-tools and this is the one that I still have.


Are you sure you mean the SWISS TOOL? that you linked to?
That one does not have tools that open from the outside...
I have one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swi...ef=pd_sim_sg_5

the Swiss tool spirit... which is very nice. I have it in a kit that includes a small ratchet and a bunch of bits.
It is a beautiful tool... and works well... my only complaint on it is the blade ("the butterknife blade")

pretty expensive though

I would check on ebay... many times you can get great deals on multitools that are slightly used or have been confiscated at airports..

I have used a Leatherman Charge TI for 7 years... and almost lost it after the Vegas Regional in 2007 at the airport... because we went straight to the airport from the arena...luckily I could mail it to myself... still have it and it has been on my belt for every competition for the last 7 years.

Check out ebay... good deals...
I bought leatherman waves for my mentors 3 years ago... all at good prices...

Trent B 01-09-2011 16:19

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If you look at the amazon picture of the one he linked to fold it up mentally to get rid of the pliers but leave all the tools out they are accessible from the outside. They are the inside when it is open.

JamesCH95 01-09-2011 16:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Steele (Post 1075652)
Are you sure you mean the SWISS TOOL? that you linked to?
That one does not have tools that open from the outside...

Yes I am, considering I own it. Think about what the picture looks like, how everything folds up on the pliers, and where the tools would be then.

Edit: what Trent said :p


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