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roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 09:11

Picking drive team?
 
What is the best way to pick a drive team, i have been on the drive team.
Also which is better one main drive team, or sub drive teams?

EricH 02-09-2011 09:15

Re: Picking drive team?
 
1) Find or build robot similar to robot you will be fielding.
2) Set up challenge.
3) Team that does the challenge best gets the primary job.
4) Repeat for backup team.

You will want a backup team--sometimes, the primaries can't be there for whatever reason.

roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 09:18

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1075723)
1) Find or build robot similar to robot you will be fielding.
2) Set up challenge.
3) Team that does the challenge best gets the primary job.
4) Repeat for backup team.

You will want a backup team--sometimes, the primaries can't be there for whatever reason.

Thats a great idea, thanks. :)

Chris is me 02-09-2011 09:19

Re: Picking drive team?
 
This early in the season it really shouldn't have much to do with skill. Now is the time for people to take the old base and practice with it. If you have the facilities, or even just an afternoon at a local team's field, bring some prospective drivers down and do some training drills. Look less at their ability and more at how they handle themselves behind the glass and working in concert with others.

Anyone can learn to drive well, but not everyone can keep calm under pressure and make snap decisions. Find the people mature enough to do that and give them enough time and motivation to get to the top of FRC.

roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 09:23

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1075726)
This early in the season it really shouldn't have much to do with skill. Now is the time for people to take the old base and practice with it. If you have the facilities, or even just an afternoon at a local team's field, bring some prospective drivers down and do some training drills. Look less at their ability and more at how they handle themselves behind the glass and working in concert with others.

Anyone can learn to drive well, but not everyone can keep calm under pressure and make snap decisions. Find the people mature enough to do that and give them enough time and motivation to get to the top of FRC.

would it be better to build the chassis first, and make sure that it drives before you continue to build up? or build up and work on the wheel programming later.

stundt1 02-09-2011 09:47

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Would you want to pick the best team or pick the best people individually?

roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 09:52

Re: Picking drive team?
 
I want to pick people that have great skills driving the robot, but also work together well. Like when i was picked i knew the robot inside out, but the controller was handed to me and said here he will drive you just kick the ball when it comes up. It was all at random, but im just curious if theres a more organized and reasonable way..

Taylor 02-09-2011 09:57

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboticsgoof95 (Post 1075727)
would it be better to build the chassis first, and make sure that it drives before you continue to build up? or build up and work on the wheel programming later.

Throughout the build, it's a good idea to let the drivers fool with the robot at every stage. If there are issues with the drivetrain, it's easier to fix them before it has lots of contraptions stacked on top it.
It's important to note, however, that the robot handles differently when weights and moments are added to the frame. So the robot won't be as agile in week 5 as it was in week 2.
Quote:

Originally Posted by stundt1 (Post 1075733)
Would you want to pick the best team or pick the best people individually?

Team. Communication is critical, as is trust. You need a nice, cohesive group that can communicate clearly with each other and with their alliance partners.

EricH 02-09-2011 09:58

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stundt1 (Post 1075733)
Would you want to pick the best team or pick the best people individually?

The best team, hands down.

If the best people don't work together, the best team will beat them. Now, if the best people form the best team, they'll win every time.

roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 10:00

Re: Picking drive team?
 
i love the mechanum wheels, but does it depend in the game in which wheels you use.

Should i keep my eyes open for who works well with who?

akoscielski3 02-09-2011 10:02

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1075735)

Team. Communication is critical, as is trust. You need a nice, cohesive group that can communicate clearly with each other and with their alliance partners.

Completely agree with this. When me and my fellow driver where picked, it was because we were the ones who could talk to each other (without yelling), we would listen to eachother, and when we drove it looked like one person was driving the robot, not two people. Communication is key to a successful drive team! They also need to know how the robot works, if you are driving and something goes wrong, then in the pits you will most likely know what went wrong and how to fix it. This happened a few times this year.

roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 10:05

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Well i doubt ill be on the drive team, but i know what you guys mean. After all they will have more fun if they get along and not fighting. right? :)

GCentola 02-09-2011 10:33

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by akoscielski3 (Post 1075739)
Completely agree with this. When me and my fellow driver where picked, it was because we were the ones who could talk to each other (without yelling), we would listen to eachother, and when we drove it looked like one person was driving the robot, not two people. Communication is key to a successful drive team! They also need to know how the robot works, if you are driving and something goes wrong, then in the pits you will most likely know what went wrong and how to fix it. This happened a few times this year.

Absolutely! This was my first year on the Drive Team, and I was Coach. Our driver had been the driver in 2010 as well. The connection we had during matches was evident, and it made things flow smoothly. Ou operator had the skills, but wasn't the most cooperative, especially under pressure. We switched operators for IRI, and it made a difference.

I think that goes to show that skill is important, but so is the choice of people that have to work together. A Drive Team with skills but no bond will be beaten by a team where there is some connection. Our Coach and driver last year were not huge fans of each other, which made a big difference too. I know it may sound cheesy, but I think it makes a difference.

roboticsgoof95 02-09-2011 10:38

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GCentola (Post 1075745)
Absolutely! This was my first year on the Drive Team, and I was Coach. Our driver had been the driver in 2010 as well. The connection we had during matches was evident, and it made things flow smoothly. Ou operator had the skills, but wasn't the most cooperative, especially under pressure. We switched operators for IRI, and it made a difference.

I think that goes to show that skill is important, but so is the choice of people that have to work together. A Drive Team with skills but no bond will be beaten by a team where there is some connection. Our Coach and driver last year were not huge fans of each other, which made a big difference too. I know it may sound cheesy, but I think it makes a difference.

so make both equally balanced? :)

GCentola 02-09-2011 10:44

Re: Picking drive team?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboticsgoof95 (Post 1075747)
so make both equally balanced? :)

Pick people who can do the job well, and will not crack under pressure. Skills can be developed with practice, but making sure the Drive Team wants to work together is jus as important. A good drive team can save a bad robot, and a bad drive team will ruin a great robot.


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