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Hi I have a question regarding rookie team registration.

I just registered a rookie team and we're wait listed at Silicon Valley. I want to register/get on the wait list for the Sacramento Regional, but the Add event option does not come up and I know second event registration time has come.

Anything I can do?

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Team 1501 is going to the Smoky Mountain and Boilermaker regionals. Yay!!!!

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Call HQ. They are super helpful and will work it out. I would also expect you will hear from the regional director. It makes no sense having a rookie team that has nowhere to play.

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Take John's suggestion.

Theres often "reserved" spots that are set aside at each regional specifically for rookie teams to be able to compete.

-Brando

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I looked and the bad news is that the other 8 are lawfully registered rookie teams. They appeared gradually after Oregon went to waitlisted on October 5.
It looks like Oregon can accommodate 2 more teams. The downside is that they may not be out of rookies yet.


Call FIRST and straighten it out with them.
They are there to help.

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I'm under the impression that most wait listed Regional teams eventually get in somewhere... Is this true?

We've never been wait listed for a regional before, or at least not since I've been around so I'm sort of lost on this one.

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Ultimately, that comes down to how flexible teams are able to be.

Being on a waitlist doesn't get you into a particular competition.
Every year venues do fill up and waitlisted teams do get turned away.
Smoky Mountain had that very public problem last year and had to ask if two veteran teams would willing trade their slots to rookies in exchange for a different event. BAE, SBPLI, NYC, and others have to turn teams away each year. Most teams are able to switch events, especially in the high event density of the East and FiM/MAR. Some of them cannot. Room is made for everyone to play at least once though. That's what reserving some slots for waitlists helps guarantee.

FIRST will work with teams to find a substitute event, but the practicality of the event change depends on the team being able to take on any additional travel/food/housing expense, not having a conflict for an alternate weekend, school board approval for crossing state/country boarders, etc.

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Last year we were really revved up to travel out to the west coast for a competition. Based on scheduling and expenses, we decided on registering for the San Diego regional. We got in what we thought was pretty early, but still ended up on the wait list.

A few emails exchanged with the regional director painted the picture pretty clearly for us. With the amount of teams in the region that were sitting on the wait list, and rookie teams needing available spots, we were highly unlikely to get in. The director didn't completely rule it out (which actually made things a little more complicated because the ball was in our court so to speak). We ended up making the decision to register for a regional that wasn't full and assure ourselves of travel plans, etc.

It worked out great for us in the long run. We had a great time in New Orleans at the Bayou regional, and met a lot of awesome teams. Just a quick anecdote of our experience on a regional waitlist FWIW.

-Brando

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I'm happy to see 71 sign up for Queen City. Now only if we could get into Midwest, we could see them twice (or more). :)

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--confused-- I don't see 48 on the list.

QCR has a great mix of veterans and rookies. I'm excited to see this new event and location.

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We're waitlisted for Boston and CT (likely changing to NYC waitlist). Whichever we get in, we'll go to, if we have the money. A lot is hanging on a few grants, but this could be Shaker's first three event season ever.

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We signed up for the Midwest waitlist 2nd to prove to Dan Green we really really really want to go there. :) :rolleyes:

I'm keeping a close eye on the QC spots left. 19 at last check.

The question I have is, if we can't get in to Midwest, where would we go as a backup? Week 4 or 5. Hmm....

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Thanks for the insight Brando.

We're sort of between a rock and a hard place right now. NYC was the only regional that was logistically and financially viable for us. We don't really have the budget to travel all that far, and NYC was right on the cusp of our day travel limit (2 Hours there and back isn't going to be fun 3 days in a row) and the only other event would have been Chesapeake, which conflicts with our Week 2 district...

I guess we'll give it some time and then see if we can beg our way in.

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Thank you everyone! We got an email this morning that we were taken off the wait list for SVR and we're registered there now. We're on the wait list for SAC currently. Apparently you can't add another event until you have been officially registered at one event. Thank you for all your help everyone!!

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1800/(1800-270) = 1.1765

So, if things hold up, that's a 17.6% increase over last year. That sounds pretty good.

Is that a typical year-over-year increase or is it a big enough change to merit notice?

Blake

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The only advice I would give is to get in touch with the RD as soon as you can (if you haven't already). Try to find out some information regarding the waitlist (# of teams, # of rookies, # of local teams, etc.) and inform them of your situation. Getting involved in the process early can only help your cause.

-Brando

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If only they had an online system to support 1000+ requests in a matter of minutes.

And automatically register a rookie team in their home regional.

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Wisconsin is really lacking outside teams this year...just sayin'...

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But you might not get to use power tools, so watch out :p

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• 470 out of state/country plays (not counting Championship) - this is a little misleading for border events, such as Kansas City
• 663 extra events including Championship & 2nd Districts

Here's where the rookie teams (so far) are going to play:
# rookies -- Event
18 ---- Montreal

14 ---- Los Angeles

11 ---- Orlando
11 ---- Midwest
11 ---- Pittsburgh

9 ----- Oregon
9 ----- San Diego

8 ----- Bayou
8 ----- Smoky Mountain

7 ----- Peachtree
7 ----- Boilermaker
7 ----- NYC

6 ----- Arizona
6 ----- South Florida
6 ----- Toronto-West

5 ----- Alamo
5 ----- Boston
5 ----- Buckeye
5 ----- Palmetto
5 ----- Spokane

4 ----- Dallas E
4 ----- Seattle-Cascade
4 ----- Seattle-Olympic
4 ----- WPI

3 ----- Central Valley
3 ----- Dallas W
3 ----- Finger Lakes
3 ----- Lake Superior
3 ----- MAR-Chestnut
3 ----- Oklahoma
3 ----- Silicon Valley
3 ----- Utah
3 ----- Waterloo
3 ----- Wisconsin

2 ----- Colorado
2 ----- Connecticut
2 ----- DC
2 ----- Long Island
2 ----- MAR-Mount
2 ----- Chesapeake
2 ----- MI-Traverse
2 ----- MI-Troy
2 ----- MI-West
2 ----- St. Louis
2 ----- North Carolina
2 ----- Las Vegas
2 ----- Queen City
2 ----- Lone Star
2 ----- Virginia

1 ----- 10000 Lakes
1 ----- Granite State
1 ----- Hawaii
1 ----- Kansas City
1 ----- MAR-Lenape
1 ----- MAR-Rutgers
1 ----- MI-Waterford
1 ----- North Star
1 ----- Sacramento

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It's not outstanding mostly because last year's registration had an unusual lag (it took a big jump later) . That makes this season look like a larger gain than it really is historically.

Here are the registration numbers for the mid-point /final and gains over the prior year as on noon on the 29th day of Registration (this year's 2nd event opening).

Season - # reg teams - midpt gain - final # ---- final gain
2012 ------ 1863 ----- 15.4%
2011 ------ 1615 ------ 6.1% -------- 2065 ----- 14.2%
2010 ------ 1522 ------ 7.7% -------- 1808 ------ 7.8%
2009 ------ 1413 ----- 13.5% -------- 1677 ----- 11.7%
2008 ------ 1245 ----- 26.7% -------- 1501 ----- 15.4%
2007 ------- 983 ----- 24.4% -------- 1301 ----- 14.8%
2006 ------- 790 ----- -0.1% -------- 1133 ----- 14.7%
2005 ------- 791----------------------- 988

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Why don't they? 1000+ requests in a couple minutes is trivial given the right tricks and capabilities.

And registering rookie teams in the nearest regional when they register is pretty straightforward given that FIRST knows regional locations and team locations...

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The home regional can be tough. A lot of our rookie teams are equidistant to San Diego and LA (and some out in the desert can add in Las Vegas)

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Another problem, just with getting rookies into whatever their home regional is thought to be, is that they are traditionally the group that takes the longest to register. Most events are filled before half the rookies have signed up. That's why FIRST insists on every event having 10 reserved slots.

Rookies have a lot more dominoes to setup than veterans, and they don't yet know what those dominoes even are: get initial funding in place, garner administrative permission, find teacher advisors, recruit EVERY student member, locate mentors, find a room for storage and working, find out what kinds of tools & materials are necessary and where/how to acquire them.
Very little starts before the school year (and FRC registration) begins, so a lot happens for rookies in the Fall.

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We broke 1900 teams this morning.

• 253 new teams - 4 of them are new vets (~13% of all teams. An average final ratio is more like 20%)
• 13 resurrected veterans
• 11 Countries - USA, Canada, Mexico, Israel, Turkey, Brazil, Great Britain, Australia, Chile, Dominican Republic, Germany

Still missing 421 vets from last year, but a bunch are only hidden on waitlists.
No FRC teams in two of the US states.

Here's where everyone is from so far.

# ----- Place
181 ---- CA
159 ---- MI
120 ---- NY
109 ---- MN
90 ----- TX
90 ----- WA
60 ----- CANADA-ON
59 ----- VA
56 ----- FL
53 ----- PA
51 ----- MA
49 ----- NJ
48 ----- OH
46 ----- MO
46 ----- OK
43 ----- IL
42 ----- CT
42 ----- OR
38 ----- IN
36 ----- AZ
34 ----- WI
32 ----- CANADA-QC
32 ----- GA
32 ----- MD
32 ----- NC
31 ----- CO
28 ----- NH
27 ----- SC
22 ----- HI
22 ----- LA
20 ----- KS
18 ----- TN
15 ----- ID
14 ----- DC
13 ----- Mexico
10 ----- AL
10 ----- Israel
10 ----- ME
10 ----- UT
9 ------ MS
8 ------ AR
8 ------ KY
8 ------ NV
4 ------ IA
4 ------ MT
4 ------ NM
4 ------ RI
4 ------ Turkey
4 ------ WV
3 ------ Brazil
3 ------ WY
2 ------ AK
2 ------ DE
2 ------ Great Britain
2 ------ ND
2 ------ VT
1 ------ Australia
1 ------ CANADA-AB
1 ------ CANADA-NS
1 ------ Chile
1 ------ Dominican Republic
1 ------ Germany
1 ------ PR

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Oddly low number of Michigan rookies (5) relative to previous years. I can't help but wonder if they're simply hidden or some other, apparently significant factor is in play.

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Which two states, and did those two states have teams in previous years?

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I'd bet that one of them is South Dakota, which last had an FRC team back around 2007 or so. (FLL is strong in the state, but going higher than that is a little slow.)

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The registration rate has dropped to an average 20 teams a day.
Unrestricted event registration opens tomorrow.

• (1) Event seems to have reached it's maximum theoretical capacity
• (30) Regionals are developing waitlists
• (10) Regionals with single-digit spaces available (also means there's no waitlist to worry about)
• (11) Regionals with double-digit spaces remaining

• (4) FiM Districts have 10 or fewer spots unassigned
• The most vacant FiM District (Niles) has 23 openings.
• (4) MAR Districts have 10 or fewer spots unclaimed/unreleased
• (1) MAR District seems to have 12 openings

(8) MAR teams haven't picked/been assigned a second event (a lack on the teams part I imagine)
(65) FiM teams haven't picked/been assigned a second event (a delay by FiM rather than by teams - also imagined)

P.S.
Bill's Blog RSS feed reported 1994 teams at the same time that 1944 teams showed, so 50 teams are unreported on waitlists for 1st events, or only pre-registered (didn't pick an event yet).

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Have all of the regionals been filled ever? My team is looking at participating in a 2nd event either in week 1 or week 5, but we don't have funds to pay for it yet, and were wondering if second event registration closer to kickoff is feasible.

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All event registration closes December 1st, 8:00 pm.

It doesn't matter if it is your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, etc event.

All event registration closes December 1st, 8:00 pm.

So you have about 1 month to get your ducks in a row.

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Schlemiel! Schlimazel! Hasenpfeffer Incorporated.
We're gonna do it.

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Payment for a 2nd Regional isn't due until the end of January, but as Ed said, you need to at least sign up by December 1st to get on the event list at all.

There has always been leftover space somewhere, as long as you're willing to travel. Dallas during week 5 should have plenty of room.
Week 1 events are all waitlisted, except for Israel (that'd be a lot of travel fundraising), although even some waitlisting events may still have room.

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48, 71, 234, 379, 829, 1024, etc. Queen City has a decidedly 2011 Knoxville feel. Add in 1038, 3138, Andy Baker's rookie team, and others, and it has the makings of another great rookie event! I just hope Blair leaves the orange spandex at home this time.

And then 772 and 781 sneak in from Ontario. It gets better!

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20 teams added events after unrestricted registration opened at noon.

P.S.
Very preliminary at this early date, but here are the number of teams who have signed up for 5 events, 4 events, etc.
It includes Districts and Championship too.

5 Events = 2 (.1%)
4 Events = 7 (.4%)
3 Events = 93 (4.7%)
2 Events = 509 (26.0%)
1 Events = 1347 (68.8%)

----------------
Historical perspective
Last seasons final percentages were:
6 Events = .05% of all 2011 teams
5 Events = .3%
4 Events = 1.8%
3 Events = 9.6%
2 Events = 27.1%
1 Event = 61.1%

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We really want to make this a great event...The team list looks to help make that possible so far. It is awesome having a week six event.

There are still several rookie teams in the Cincinnati area not showing up on the list yet. I'm sure that is true with most events.

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when all this settles down I'd like to see a chart, by region, of how many teams are registered in the region, and how many rookies are in the region.

In Georgia we are going to have 16 rookie teams. The Peachtree will go from having mid-40's team numbers to 61 teams.

yee haw !!

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Mark, if you have the team info for this year I can toss together a heatmap by region if you'd like.

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I'll take you up on that, I like your heat maps.

What data do you want:

• Team coordinates
• Team #
• Rookie/vet flag?

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That'd be great. Heck, if you'd like over time throw a year on there. CSV is easiest for me since I don't actually own Excel.

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Oooooh... that would be outstanding. Thanks guys, for this effort. We often discuss how FRC is growing by referencing this thread during our company's Monday morning meetings. Maps would wow the audience.

Sincerely,
Andy Baker

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Mark,
Does this include those that are signed up for the wait list for an event? or for CMP?

So if a team is signed up for three regional events and on the waitlist for CMP is that listed as 4 events or 3 by your present reckoning?

I would guess 3...you don't have access to numbers for waitlists do you?

thanks!!

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Nope, those numbers don't consider any of the hidden waitlists.
Even if we could see them, that would be counting chickens a little too early.

These numbers are guaranteed to go up because of the two FiM/MAR State/Region Championships that get populated in March, the waitlists clearing eventually, and another few hundred teams showing up during the coming month.


I also went back and added a bit of historical perspective with the percentages of multi-event teams from last season.

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See how this works.
Note: there is a team 0 rookie in there who hasn't been assigned a number yet.
It's in team number order with most rookies at the bottom (three new teams are mixed into the older team numbers).

It's just for 2012: team #, coord, new team flag (1=new/0=vet)

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Is it any trouble to get the file with another column added with the state ?

Not needed for the heatmap but for us with the green eyeshades !

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Here's a simple list of all the registered teams as of this morning.
Area, city,team name & sponsors, team #, coords.

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All Rookie Teams

Rookie Heat Map

Non-Rookies

Non-Rookie Heat Map

All Teams

All Teams Heat Map


Edit: If FIRST is listening... giving us anonymous shipping addresses would be great. That would let us get a street level view of team growth.

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I know I sound like a pain, we lost the rookie flag column on this sheet....

no worries, If I know the rookie start number then I can create the column and resort.

edit: NVM - I marked everything from 3925 down as rookies

CA -32
FL - 18
GA - 14 indicted, real answer will be 16
and so on down the list.

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The team coordinates are off by 1 in this list, caused by team 0. They are correct in the first list.

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Thanks, I fixed the posted file and added Ed's new team flag column.

I probably won't be able to take a look at Andrew's heat maps until Sunday, but Andy has his maps for the next Monday meeting. Thanks, Andrew.:)

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Our team, 1279, is on Mark's list, but not on the maps?

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It looks like Sommerville, NJ has two FRC teams. The team pins for any town having more than one FRC team are layered right on top of each other. Only one of them shows up.

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An interest stat to see would be rookie growth, in absolute and percent relative terms.

For example:

California is adding about 32 rookies, about 18 % growth
Florida is adding about 18 rookies, about 32 % growth
Georgia is adding 16 rookies, 44 % growth
there are a lot more regions to calculate

On the downside, some kind of metric for teams lost would be good too.

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The maps are nice Andrew.
I'll give you an update when registration hits a high.

The layering of multiple teams in the same city hides a quarter of the teams.
The heat map view is one way around this.

We could go look up 749 (as of the date of the plotted data) school addresses that are layered one atop the next.
We could save time by just updating the 512 team locations hidden underneath the top layer.
We could automatically add unique minor offsets to members of identical coordinate groups to shift them a tiny bit away from each other.

Here are the deepest layered places. (Also the cities with the most FRC teams if we don't aggregate the boroughs of NYC)
17 ----- Toronto, ON Canada
16 ----- Chicago, IL USA
16 ----- San Diego, CA USA
14 ----- San Antonio, TX USA
14 ----- Washington, DC USA
13 ----- San Jose, CA USA
12 ----- Detroit, MI USA
12 ----- Montreal, QC Canada
10 ----- Rochester, NY USA

I have these for you as they stand so far. I'll try to remember to post a list tomorrow when I take a break. Maybe a pie chart would make a nice visual.

I'm coasting today after our local off-season played yesterday.

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• Registration is running 13.8% ahead of last year.
• Just broke 2000 registered teams.
• Nebraska now has one team - a rookie.
• Broke the 300 rookie mark

I've attached a snapshot of the rollup aggregate I keep for all teams.
Don't get freaked out by the "Lost" teams. Above the line will continue to grow, while below the line will continue to shrink.

I'll do the state/country breakouts later on and update this post with those results.

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Here are the states/countries broken out by percentages of:

• new teams (rookies + 2 "new" vets)
• Returning veterans
• Vets Missing from last year (as a % of last year's area total, so adding up the % across the board won't get 100%)

Raw counts follow. Resurrected vets are all singletons from different areas and don't impact the percentages.
Some pie charts are attached.

All ----- New ------ Vets ----- Missing Vets - Area
188 --- 18.6% ------ 81.4% ----- 13.1% ----- CA
163 ---- 3.7% ------ 96.3% ------ 8.7% ----- MI
121 ---- 9.9% ------ 90.1% ----- 14.2% ----- NY
121 ---- 8.3% ------ 91.7% ----- 15.3% ----- MN
97 ---- 15.5% ------ 84.5% ----- 43.1% ----- TX
94 ---- 18.1% ------ 81.9% ------ 7.3% ----- WA
63 ---- 14.3% ------ 85.7% ----- 18.5% ----- CANADA-ON
62 ----- 3.2% ------ 96.8% ----- 11.8% ----- VA
61 ---- 31.1% ------ 68.9% ----- 25.5% ----- FL
53 ---- 24.5% ------ 75.5% ----- 16.7% ----- PA
52 ---- 13.5% ------ 86.5% ----- 15.1% ----- MA
50 ---- 16.0% ------ 84.0% ----- 14.9% ----- OH
50 ----- 4.0% ------ 96.0% ----- 23.8% ----- NJ
48 ---- 18.8% ------ 81.3% ------ 9.3% ----- IL
46 ----- 4.3% ------ 95.7% ------ 8.3% ----- OK
46 ----- 4.3% ------ 95.7% ----- 15.4% ----- MO
43 ---- 23.3% ------ 76.7% ------ 8.6% ----- OR
42 ----- 2.4% ------ 97.6% ------ 2.4% ----- CT
39 ---- 23.1% ------ 76.9% ----- 11.8% ----- IN
38 ---- 18.4% ------ 81.6% ----- 16.2% ----- AZ
37 ---- 37.8% ------ 62.2% ----- 36.1% ----- GA
34 ---- 14.7% ------ 85.3% ------ 9.7% ----- WI
32 ----- 9.4% ------ 90.6% ----- 19.4% ----- NC
32 ---- 12.5% ------ 87.5% ----- 17.6% ----- MD
32 ---- 59.4% ------ 40.6% ------ 7.1% ----- CANADA-QC
31 ----- 6.5% ------ 93.5% ----- 17.1% ----- CO
28 ----- 3.6% ------ 96.4% ----- 15.6% ----- NH
27 ---- 18.5% ------ 81.5% ----- 16.0% ----- SC
24 ----- 8.3% ------ 91.7% ----- 34.4% ----- HI
23 ---- 30.4% ------ 69.6% ----- 33.3% ----- LA
20 ----- 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- KS
18 ---- 44.4% ------ 55.6% ----- 37.5% ----- TN
16 ---- 25.0% ------ 75.0% ------ 7.7% ----- ID
14 ----- 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- DC
13 ----- 7.7% ------ 92.3% ----- 38.9% ----- UT
13 ---- 30.8% ------ 69.2% ----- 25.0% ----- Mexico
11 ---- 27.3% ------ 72.7% ----- 20.0% ----- AL
10 ---- 20.0% ------ 80.0% ----- 20.0% ----- MS
10 ---- 30.0% ------ 70.0% ----- 12.5% ----- ME
10 ----- 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 79.2% ----- Israel
9 ----- 11.1% ------ 88.9% ----- 36.4% ----- NV
8 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 33.3% ----- KY
8 ----- 75.0% ------ 25.0% ----- 33.3% ----- AR
5 ----- 40.0% ------ 60.0% ----- 25.0% ----- Turkey
4 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 20.0% ----- WV
4 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 20.0% ----- RI
4 ----- 50.0% ------ 50.0% ------ 0.0% ----- NM
4 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 33.3% ----- MT
4 ----- 25.0% ------ 75.0% ------ 0.0% ----- IA
3 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- WY
3 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 40.0% ----- Brazil
2 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 33.3% ----- VT
2 ------ 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% ----- UNITED KINGDOM
2 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 33.3% ----- ND
2 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- DE
2 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- AK
1 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ----- 50.0% ----- PR
1 ---- 100.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% ----- NE
1 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- Germany
1 ---- 100.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% ----- Dominican Republic
1 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- Chile
1 ---- 100.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% ----- CANADA-NS
1 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- CANADA-AB
1 ------ 0.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 0.0% ----- Australia

Raw Numbers for the above in case you're interested:
All ---- New -- Vets – Missing - Area
188 ---- 35 ---- 153 ---- 23 ----- CA
163 ----- 6 ---- 157 ---- 15 ----- MI
121 ---- 12 ---- 109 ---- 18 ----- NY
121 ---- 10 ---- 111 ---- 20 ----- MN
97 ----- 15 ----- 82 ---- 62 ----- TX
94 ----- 17 ----- 77 ----- 6 ----- WA
63 ------ 9 ----- 54 ---- 12 ----- CANADA-ON
62 ------ 2 ----- 60 ----- 8 ----- VA
61 ----- 19 ----- 42 ---- 14 ----- FL
53 ----- 13 ----- 40 ----- 8 ----- PA
52 ------ 7 ----- 45 ----- 8 ----- MA
50 ------ 8 ----- 42 ----- 7 ----- OH
50 ------ 2 ----- 48 ---- 15 ----- NJ
48 ------ 9 ----- 39 ----- 4 ----- IL
46 ------ 2 ----- 44 ----- 4 ----- OK
46 ------ 2 ----- 44 ----- 8 ----- MO
43 ----- 10 ----- 33 ----- 3 ----- OR
42 ------ 1 ----- 41 ----- 1 ----- CT
39 ------ 9 ----- 30 ----- 4 ----- IN
38 ------ 7 ----- 31 ----- 6 ----- AZ
37 ----- 14 ----- 23 ---- 13 ----- GA
34 ------ 5 ----- 29 ----- 3 ----- WI
32 ------ 3 ----- 29 ----- 7 ----- NC
32 ------ 4 ----- 28 ----- 6 ----- MD
32 ----- 19 ----- 13 ----- 1 ----- CANADA-QC
31 ------ 2 ----- 29 ----- 6 ----- CO
28 ------ 1 ----- 27 ----- 5 ----- NH
27 ------ 5 ----- 22 ----- 4 ----- SC
24 ------ 2 ----- 22 ---- 11 ----- HI
23 ------ 7 ----- 16 ----- 8 ----- LA
20 ------ 0 ----- 20 ----- 0 ----- KS
18 ------ 8 ----- 10 ----- 6 ----- TN
16 ------ 4 ----- 12 ----- 1 ----- ID
14 ------ 0 ----- 14 ----- 0 ----- DC
13 ------ 1 ----- 12 ----- 7 ----- UT
13 ------ 4 ------ 9 ----- 3 ----- Mexico
11 ------ 3 ------ 8 ----- 2 ----- AL
10 ------ 2 ------ 8 ----- 2 ----- MS
10 ------ 3 ------ 7 ----- 1 ----- ME
10 ------ 0 ----- 10 ---- 38 ----- Israel
9 ------- 1 ------ 8 ----- 4 ----- NV
8 ------- 0 ------ 8 ----- 4 ----- KY
8 ------- 6 ------ 2 ----- 1 ----- AR
5 ------- 2 ------ 3 ----- 1 ----- Turkey
4 ------- 0 ------ 4 ----- 1 ----- WV
4 ------- 0 ------ 4 ----- 1 ----- RI
4 ------- 2 ------ 2 ----- 0 ----- NM
4 ------- 0 ------ 4 ----- 2 ----- MT
4 ------- 1 ------ 3 ----- 0 ----- IA
3 ------- 0 ------ 3 ----- 0 ----- WY
3 ------- 0 ------ 3 ----- 2 ----- Brazil
2 ------- 0 ------ 2 ----- 1 ----- VT
2 ------- 0 ------ 0 ----- 0 ----- United Kingdom
2 ------- 0 ------ 2 ----- 1 ----- ND
2 ------- 0 ------ 2 ----- 0 ----- DE
2 ------- 0 ------ 2 ----- 0 ----- AK
1 ------- 0 ------ 1 ----- 1 ----- PR
1 ------- 1 ------ 0 ----- 0 ----- NE
1 ------- 0 ------ 1 ----- 0 ----- Germany
1 ------- 1 ------ 0 ----- 0 ----- Dominican Republic
1 ------- 0 ------ 1 ----- 0 ----- Chile
1 ------- 1 ------ 0 ----- 0 ----- CANADA-NS
1 ------- 0 ------ 1 ----- 0 ----- CANADA-AB
1 ------- 0 ------ 1 ----- 0 ----- Australia

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Awesome graphs and data. What exactly is a "new" vet? ::rtm::

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Is "new Vet" a "new" team that has enough veteran members to not be considered a rookie?

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Wow! 62 teams from Texas not returning! I'll bet there is a lot of one&done teams that were originally financed by the Texas Workforce grant. That's very disappointing.

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Texas is also usually a little late in registering due to the BEST Fall competition, so teams may just show up later.
I checked and the big surge in Texas registration occurred last season in the middle of November. I don't know how that tied into the Texas Workforce grant schedule.

Israel is another area that traditionally registers later than everyone else.


Bingo!
There are current only two of these. A third one dropped out just this morning.

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Being on the outside of things and not knowing much, I'm not concerned - yet. Hopefully, these Texans will kick in and git 'er done.

Jane

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It's interesting to see that there are currently 13 less New Jersey teams signed up than in last year. Perhaps this is due to the new M.A.R. system? ::rtm::

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Haha, no hard feelings to FIRST, but I find it amusing that we are still on the wait list to the Traverse City District, when our nearby neighbors of 74, 107, and 141 are already listed. Two of the rookies in Michigan are going to West Michigan and Traverse City.

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Here's a graph of the most populous FRC cities last season.
That related to the earlier list of this seasons current most populous cities.

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wow, I hadn't realized that San Antonio was that far up the list on most populist FRC cities.

John, Jane, and fellow Texans...

I am not being an alarmist but we do have some work to do to bring back a few dozen teams. If you have the time and can reach out in your area, please contact a Regional director or FIRST Senior Mentor to see what teams you can help them contact to get a status check. They and others have probably been sending them emails and phone calls but a personal connection from you could be the thing that flips the switch.

At least a half-dozen teams are not on the 2012 list in Houston, Dallas, El Paso and the Rio Grande Valley with some assorted towns in Central and East Texas.

Looking forward to great FIRST season in Texas again this year.

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We have passed last year's total 2065 teams.
About a week earlier than the same milestone (i.e., passing the prior year mark) last year.

Some waitlist clearing going on today.
31 Regionals have changed their headcounts.
That's how a lot of teams suddenly appeared on the registered list today.
Broke 2100 teams before 6pm EST today.

p.s.
Team 23 Plymouth, MA, who last played in 1999 has rejoined us. (One of their teacher/mentors is a Championship Woodie Flowers winner.)
They will be playing at WPI.

7 resurrected old teams appeared by lunchtime today, so we now have:

• (14) teams who sat out one year
• (6) who sat out two years
• (1) 5 years
• (1) 6 years
• (1) 13 years

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Welcome back team 23. I'm also happy to see they will be attending our Ask an Engineer workshop this weekend at Northeastern.

-Brando

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Does this mean Rumble at the Rock is Returning? I believe we are defending champs :D

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I am very excited to see team 23 back. Mike Bastoni, the team leader of team 23 is a Championship Woodie Flowers Award Winner and has been an active member of the WFA judging committee since the summer of 2003 when we were challenged by Dr. William Murphy to create the WFFA. Mike has been active all of these years, not just as a WFFA judge, but also developing the Gears Educational Systems with some friends. Mike also has worked hard to create the BBIQ program with some other friends.

For those of you not around in 1999 (and previously), Mike and his team ran the best off-season event, called Rumble at the Rock. This was the inspiration for many events, including BattleCry and IRI.

Welcome back, team 23!!!

Respectfully,
Andy B.

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The Taipei American School just registered (for Hawaii predictably).

Our team did a season of BBIQ in 2002 and we still have the robot.
It had to share motors and electronics with our FRC robot that year.

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Andrew,

I've sent you a private message with my offer/suggestions.

Jane

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Since some of the waitlists have been clearing (there still appear to be a lot of teams cooling their heels though) I decided to run more interim numbers on the total events teams are signing up for this year.

• (3) = 5 events(.1% of all registered teams)
• (9) = 4 events (.4%)
• (99) = 3 events (4.7%)
• (532) = 2 events (25.1%)
• (1476) = 1 event (69.7%)

We can extrapolate to include State/Region Championships and an additional 200 World Championship attendees.

Take Championships out of the picture and we get:

• 72.7% = 1 event
• 27.3% = more than 1 event

Double Districts in FiM & MAR account for 5.6% of the multiple event totals, but a large percentage of teams in those regions have not yet been assigned a second district event. Without the District areas included, the tally of single (non-CMP) event teams rises to 78.3%.

P.S.
California at 194 teams is drawing close to the record setting 200 team mark.
More than 30 rookies has something to do with that.

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What would be the interest in a combined FRC & FTC registration count by state to add to this statewide FIRST comparison of FRC teams? Is the FTC data publically available in a usable format? FTC registration continues until late February but tends to get a bit fixed by FRC kick-off. I say that knowing full well that FTC registration in Texas extended into late spring last year due to the slow roll-out of a government grant. We might see something close to 400:yikes: plus FIRST HS teams in Texas this season depending upon how many of the missing FRC and FTC teams get registered in the next 30 - 45 days... we are hoovering above 325 right now.

FTC event data is not available as that is handled directly by the affiliate partners.

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FTC team cities/states/countries are readily available.
P.S. Although I only see 217 Texas teams listed right now, so if you're operating off of insider information, then it'll be hard to compare.
The next closest area is California with 154.
P.P.S. Oh, I see you just meant to add the # of FTC and FRC teams together into one number. In that case California is winning with 349. NY and MI are much further back at 240 & 220 respectively.

Eight FTC countries: US, Canada, Australia, Mexico, New Zealand, China, Italy, Norway.

FTC event location cities are also available if not the associated list of attending teams.

It's too bad FLL doesn't provide public general location info. Those numbers completely dwarf FRC and FTC and any other robot competition you care to mention combined.

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Currently showing,

• 5.3% growth
• 16.7% are new teams
• 12.3% of veteran teams unaccounted for
• 13.6% recovery of defunct teams (accounts for 1.6% of all registered teams)

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FLL Team 13,xxx (I can't remember exactly) was at the competition that we were in last weekend.

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FLL team numbers in Michigan range from 8 to 14347.

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FIRST projects that there will be 19,800 FLL teams this season.

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Ya, we hosted an FLL event recently and had team numbers ranging from 468-11313.

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In the past, series of numbers were reserved for FLL teams outside the US and Canada. Does anyone know if that is still the case? For example, if all European teams had numbers in the 16000's or 17000's, that would align with the US/Can numbers noted in the projection.

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More than 2200 teams now.

• 6.9% growth (142 net gain)
• 17.3% new teams (381)
• 11.6% veteran team loss (263) (% is adjusted to account for returned vets)

(Chart at the bottom)
Teams - Rookies - Missing - Place
197 ----- 37 ------ 18 ------ CA
169 ------ 8 ------ 11 ------ MI
151 ----- 21 ------- 1 ------ MN
135 ----- 15 ------- 7 ------ NY
119 ----- 23 ------ 48 ------ TX
95 ------ 18 ------- 6 ------ WA
72 ------ 23 ------- 8 ------ FL
71 ------ 15 ------ 11 ------ Canada-ON
65 ------- 4 ------- 7 ------ VA
60 ------ 15 ------- 4 ------ PA
56 ------- 8 ------- 6 ------ MA
56 ------ 13 ------- 6 ------ OH
55 ------ 15 ------- 3 ------ IL
52 ------- 4 ------ 15 ------ NJ
51 ------- 4 ------- 5 ------ MO
46 ------- 2 ------- 4 ------ OK
45 ------ 17 ------- 8 ------ GA
44 ------- 7 ------- 1 ------ AZ
44 ------ 11 ------- 3 ------ OR
43 ------ 12 ------- 3 ------ IN
42 ------- 1 ------- 1 ------ CT
38 ------- 3 ------- 1 ------ CO
37 ------- 6 ------- 5 ------ NC
36 ------- 5 ------- 3 ------ MD
35 ------- 6 ------- 3 ------ WI
32 ------ 19 ------- 1 ------ Canada-QC
30 ------- 1 ------- 3 ------ NH
30 ------- 8 ------- 4 ------ SC
29 ------- 3 ------- 7 ------ HI
24 ------- 0 ------ 25 ------ Israel
24 ------- 7 ------- 7 ------ LA
23 ------ 11 ------- 4 ------ TN
20 ------- 0 ------- 0 ------ KS
16 ------- 4 ------- 1 ------ ID
16 ------- 5 ------- 1 ------ Mexico
16 ------- 2 ------- 5 ------ UT
15 ------- 1 ------- 0 ------ DC
13 ------- 4 ------- 2 ------ AL
11 ------- 0 ------- 1 ------ KY
11 ------- 3 ------- 0 ------ ME
10 ------- 2 ------- 2 ------ MS
9 -------- 1 ------- 4 ------ NV
8 -------- 6 ------- 1 ------ AR
6 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ MT
5 -------- 3 ------- 0 ------ NM
5 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ RI
5 -------- 2 ------- 1 ------ Turkey
4 -------- 1 ------- 0 ------ IA
4 -------- 0 ------- 1 ------ WV
3 -------- 0 ------- 2 ------ Brazil
3 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ VT
3 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ WY
2 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ AK
2 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ DE
2 -------- 0 ------- 1 ------ ND
2 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ United Kingdom
1 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ Australia
1 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ Canada-AB
1 -------- 1 ------- 0 ------ Canada-NS
1 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ Chile
1 -------- 1 ------- 0 ------ Dominican Republic
1 -------- 0 ------- 0 ------ Germany
1 -------- 1 ------- 0 ------ NE
1 -------- 0 ------- 1 ------ PR
1 -------- 1 ------- 0 ------ Spain
1 -------- 1 ------- 0 ------ Taiwan

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Mark, from the graph, it looks like the total teams this year from each state is "Teams + Rookies" make "Teams" = Veteran Teams. However, based on Nebraska (and Iowa) "Teams" is just the total number of teams, right?

Sidenote: wow, nearly all those missing MN teams showed up just recently.

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Yea, I did that wrong. Thanks for noticing :)
Teams is total in the chart just like the table, so I'll rework the chart to be vets/rookies/missing instead. It'll be updated in a second.

I changed the previous posted chart to have the same convention as the overall chart too. Missing teams are shown below the 0 line in red for each area.
I've attached here what I call the "Could Have Been" look that includes the missing teams on top so we see just how many teams each area could have if they just recover the missing teams.

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While you are doing all this trouble could you also post the spreadsheet also. Thanks,

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Done.

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Bosnia has returned.
That makes 14 countries that are represented in FRC:

• Australia
• Brazil
• Canada
• Chile
• Dominican Republic
• Germany
• Herzegovina
• Israel
• Mexico
• Spain
• Taiwan
• Turkey
• United Kingdom
• US
  

MAR is showing 93 teams (7 of them rookies) and has seen the reappearance of several missing NJ/PA teams and updated their District rosters.
18 MAR teams do not have 2nd Districts yet (19%).

FiM has 73 teams (of 169 total) still to choose/sort into a second District event (43%).

Topped 3000 total playing slots taken by 2226 teams.

Only 23 fewer new teams have registered than last year.

More resurrected veteran teams than any previous year.

7.8% gain now matches the gain of 2010.

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Any correlation between 18 MAR teams who haven't signed up for 2nd Districts, but have signed up for events outside the MAR catchment area?

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Only one of these (Team 204) has signed up outside (for Chesapeake).
Four are rookies.

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Mark,

I'm not sure how hard it would be to tabulate the data on this but, it would be interesting to know for teams that are "missing", how many years they competed/existed before going "missing"

Side note: I'm proud to see that it looks like CT may not be growing fast, but is at least sustaining the majority of its teams

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You mean like this?

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Mark,

I apologize, I must have completely missed that post as I read through. Seeing it like that makes me wish FIRST would focus more on those teams who only last 1-3 years rather than constantly push for completely new teams.

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Here are the average years of team experience at each of the 2012 events (so far):

10.5 ---- NH
10.2 ---- CMP
9.4 ----- MAR-Lenape
9.2 ----- MAR-MtOlive
8.9 ----- MAR-Hatboro
8.8 ----- MAR-Chestnut
8.7 ----- MAR-Rutgers
8.7 ----- CT
8.5 ----- LI
8.4 ----- MI-Detroit
7.8 ----- SJC
7.8 ----- DC
7.8 ----- MI-Kettering
7.5 ----- FLR
7.4 ----- MI-Troy
7.4 ----- MD
7.3 ----- WI
7.2 ----- CV
7.1 ----- MI-Northville
7.1 ----- NYC
7.0 ----- VA
6.9 ----- WPI
6.7 ----- MI-Livonia
6.7 ----- Queen City
6.6 ----- S. FL
6.6 ----- TOR-E
6.6 ----- OH
6.6 ----- MA
6.3 ----- SAC
6.3 ----- KC
6.2 ----- MI-Traverse
6.1 ----- CO
6.0 ----- MI-West
5.9 ----- NV
5.7 ----- MI-Waterford
5.4 ----- CA
5.4 ----- PIT
5.4 ----- TOR-W
5.3 ----- FL
5.3 ----- WAT
5.3 ----- IN
5.2 ----- IS
5.1 ----- NC
5.0 ----- MI-Niles
4.9 ----- AZ
4.9 ----- SC
4.9 ----- TX
4.8 ----- OR
4.7 ----- OK
4.6 ----- TN
4.5 ----- Alamo
4.5 ----- MO
4.2 ----- LA
4.2 ----- UT
4.2 ----- HI
4.1 ----- WA-Cascade
4.1 ----- GA
4.0 ----- Spokane
4.0 ----- IL
3.9 ----- Lake S.
3.8 ----- SDC
3.7 ----- WA-Olympic
3.7 ----- 10K
3.6 ----- N STAR
3.1 ----- Dallas E
3.0 ----- Dallas W
2.1 ----- Montreal

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^^ Interesting list, being that all MAR events are at the top.

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Very. Have they sorted all the rookies in yet?

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Well, good to know that MAR is now the retirement home of FIRST. ;)

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Well, after New Hampshire of course ;)

Would it be possible to make an experience list like that for last season too, so they two can be compared?

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Retirement implies that we're not doing it any more.
In fact, the opposite is true: MAR teams are going to raise the bar this year.
Be Afraid.:rolleyes:

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Here are last season's average team ages at events.

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Realizing that FRC started in New England, it isn't hard to believe that MAR has a lot of "old" teams. Even older than FiM. While it is good to see that CT is sustaining teams, the real question should be: Where is there a total lack of FIRST impact. What part of the country is the concentration of FRC teams per high school student the lowest. It would not surprise me if someone ran the numbers on this and came up with an area like Boston, or DC, or NYC.

We want to expand, but what is the point of expansion if the area is already saturated with teams (FiM, MAR, other "popular regions") If we as FIRSTers get teams in areas with no FIRST exposure, how much more effective does that one team become in acocmplishing the goal of FIRST as a whole?

As an aside, just because a high school in a certain district has a FRC team, doesn't mean the whole district knows about it. I didn't know that 5 of the 30 high schools in my county (Fairfax, Va) had FRC teams until I joined a team, which happened to be unaffiliated with any high school at all.