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You probably know where I'm going with this...

Just some basic data to get us started. We're all pretty active on opening day.
As it was last year, it looks like Michigan and Seattle won't be publishing their team lists right away.

The perennially late event schedule was posted two days before registration opening this year.
69 events comprised of:

• (1) Championship
• (2) FRC Region Championships
• (14) Districts
• (52) Regionals

That's an estimated 3429 slots, not counting the Region or World Championships. An increase in capacity of 437 over last season.
Last season we had ~242 unclaimed open slots at regional/district events.
To put it in perspective there was a net gain last season of 257 teams. Similar growth this year would give us 293 new teams for those new slots.


According to Bill's Blog on 9/23/11, 341 FRC teams completed the pre-registration in TIMS almost a week before real registration opens.
A week earlier (9/15) 195 teams had completed pre-registration and 69 rookies had entered the system.
As of Tuesday (9/20) I've seen temporary rookie numbers as high as 2012152 (reportedly starting at 2012000), meaning at least 153 rookies are already raring to get going.

What will the lowest rookie team # be?
And the Answer is: rookie team #3925

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Now I know the 2012 season has officially begun. Thanks for doing this thread every year Mark.

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I wonder if the rookie teams this year will start the 4000's or will they be split between 3900 and 4000s?

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Hey Mark, will you be able to update us as to who signed up for what MAR event? I couldn't find a list anywhere. It wasn't on the list of regionals last night

Edit Nvm they are posted now.

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In the first 45 minutes, 330 teams have negotiated the clogged TIMS to register for events.
429 by 1:00

The response of FIRST's servers appear to be under performing last year, or that many more teams are interfering with one another.

BAE was full by the end of the first hour.

The graph has the early returns on total # teams. Blue was 2011, Red is 2012. (graph updated at the end of the first day of registration)
The slower rush might be due to the holidays observed in some areas.

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I don't know if it was the first tournament to fill up, but the BAE Systems Granite State Regional was full (before the wait list) with 40 teams at 12:53 ET.

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BAE was indeed the first to fill, closely followed a few minutes later by WPI, although WPI only opened for half the number of teams that BAE did.

The top early leaders are:
40 ----- BAE Systems/Granite State Regional (at initial capacity)
23 ----- Silicon Valley Regional
22 ----- WPI Regional (at initial capacity)
20 ----- Greater Kansas City Regional
19 ----- SBPLI Long Island Regional
19 ----- Oklahoma Regional
18 ----- Autodesk Oregon Regional
18 ----- Pittsburgh Regional
18 ----- Boilermaker Regional
18 ----- Boston Regional
17 ----- Midwest Regional
16 ----- Orlando Regional
15 ----- Hatboro-Horsham M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event


or looked at another way, here is subscription as a % of initial capacity:

% capacity --- Event
100.0% ---- BAE Systems/Granite State Regional
100.0% ---- WPI Regional
62.1% ----- Pittsburgh Regional
60.0% ----- Boilermaker Regional
54.8% ----- Silicon Valley Regional
50.0% ----- Hatboro-Horsham M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event
48.7% ----- SBPLI Long Island Regional
46.7% ----- Lenape M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event
46.2% ----- Chestnut Hill M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event
43.8% ----- Mount Olive M.A.R. Qualifying Event
41.9% ----- Boston Regional
40.5% ----- Midwest Regional
37.5% ----- Rutgers M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event
37.0% ----- Greater Kansas City Regional
35.2% ----- Oklahoma Regional
35.0% ----- Finger Lakes Regional
33.3% ----- Autodesk Oregon Regional
32.7% ----- Orlando Regional
31.8% ----- Utah Regional

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Ken, did your team make it in?

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For person-to-person communication such as this, sending a Private Message is usually better than posting in a forum thread.

For this particular question, however, the answer is readily found by looking at the list of teams registered for the BAE Systems Granite State Regional. Team 1519 is indeed on the list.

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Mark,
We all know you're a data junkie, but thanks anyway for posting this thread.

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It's interesting to see which teams are making longer trips this year...

Noteably 229 and 1511 making the trip down from Upstate NY, and 118 making the trip all the way from Texas to play over here in New England at the Connecticut Regional

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Its also nice to see Team 190 coming down to play in Florida week 5 at FAU.

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Pittsburgh is also now full (with fine print).

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Yeah, buddy. Looking forward to Pittsburgh once again.

Nice to see 176 continue their affinity for Canadian events by signing up at Montreal.

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Yes. We are looking forward to going over the boarder once again.

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Looks like they started at 3925.

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Hear you might be bringing some friends along. :)

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There is definitely a team that will travel the farthest across the continent to Hawaii. Not official yet though.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Hmmmmmm. Who could that be?:p

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Right now of the 5 MAR events, Mount Olive (woot hometown love) looks to be the toughest to play in. The other 4 look to be at a fairly even level of competition. The powerhouses spread out decently enough, I think.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....3D71QKvnF39497

Cannot wait for this season to start. We'll be playing at Chesnut Hill and Mt. Olive. Should be sick!

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It seems like there may be some sort of Glitch in the MAR Registration. Two teams managed to register outside of MAR for Regional Events.

Weird.

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That's not a problem, is it? I didn't think there was a restriction on who could attend non-FIM/non-MAR Regional competitions.

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The restriction we were told of the night prior to registration is that any team who chooses to attend an event otside MAR MUST wait until second event registration opens for all teams.

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Did they give a rational for asking MAR teams to wait?

On the surface it wouldn't seem to matter, since on the whole MAR events are guaranteed. Although you may not get your choice by choosing late, none of the events are very far from each other (unlike a MI UP team attending a Detroit District).

It would give the MAR teams an advantage over Regional-only teams I suppose to have your home spots guaranteed.

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Technically, MAR teams aren't allowed to register for outside regional events until October 27th. It was a bit strange to see two MAR teams registered for outside Regional Events and no MAR events.

Maybe it won't be an issue in the grand scheme of things, it's just a little troubling for those of us who will be biting our fingers for the next 4 weeks hoping that our Travel Regional won't fill. (Many teams are in the position that only one regional works with budgets, time, MAR schedule, Testing, etc.)

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I'm not sure of the rationale, but it is justified to have MAR teams wait until second event registration opens for all because MAR teams were allowed to pick TWO MAR events already. It seems fair enough.

Whatever the rationale, I just want every team to abide by the same rule regardless of even if it was an error on TIMS's part.

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From an outsiders perspective...

When we're deciding on our regionals, like everyone else, its a tough call to choose which one we register at first. We may be able to guarantee a spot at our travel regional, but it would be at the risk of being boxed out of our home regional. For this reason, we always register for the Boston regional first. Some teams philosophy may differ, but for us, its the way we do things. If however, we were guaranteed registration to an event nearby, it would make choosing which regional to register for first a no brainer; go for the travel first knowing our home competition is more or less guaranteed.

The other side of the coin is obviously that the MAR teams do not have a choice right now, they have to sign up for home first. If the choice was up to the MAR teams however, I feel they would be at a slight advantage when it came to registration. IF they had a choice, they could sign up for a travel comp knowing their home comps would still be available (and also closed off to a large portion of FRC teams).

Thats just the way I see it from an outsider's perspective. I certainly understand the concern Dustin and Akash have because some teams may be taking advantage of this "loophole" (for lack of a better term).

-Brando

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For HI teams, they are pretty much guaranteed a spot at their own home regional. That's why we and other HI teams usually sign up for the mainland regional 1st, ensuring that whatever travel plans/reservations were done in advance, wouldnt have to be cancelled due to registration being closed.

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Ladies & Gentlemen
We have reached the 1000 team mark.

These are teams registered openly for events (so not including MI-except for the single odd team 66 apparently playing alone in Northville :))
That’s 4 days earlier than the last two years and almost half the teams that played last year.
(Although, to be a fair comparison with last year it's more like 3 days earlier, since 35 WA teams would have to be subtracted.)
The graph compares 2011 to past years back to 2007. (Ignore the dates at the bottom. They are normalized across the years to match up the graphs for comparison.)

For events:
MAR team 1168 got pulled back from Chesapeake.
For MAR it looks like a little less than half the NJ teams aren't signed up yet, and a quarter of eastern PA teams haven't yet registered. All of DE (2) have registered.
All MAR events have single-digit initial openings remaining.
Other single-digit Regionals remaining are:

(4) Boilermaker
(6) Silicon Valley
(9) SBPLI

67 rookies total, so 6.7% of the registered teams.
There's a slew of Montreal rookies.

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Team number 4000 is from Corpus Christi, TX

And the Michigan team list has been released, with an initial 101 teams showing as registered.
Looks like each team has been assigned to only one event to start.

At 1200 teams now (1:45pm, 10/3)

Representatives from:

• 9 Countries (US, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Israel, Chile, Germany, Turkey, UK)
• 50 US States/districts/territories (missing: NE & SD)

SBPLI is full

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I am curious to see what kind of impact there is to regionals around the same geographical area of the new MAR. Is there data about the impact the MI regionals had, initially, to ones near the MI Regionals? DC and Chesapeake, at least from what I recall last year, seem to be down somewhat. In the case of MI, regionals just outside of the state, did they experience a smaller number of teams, and if so, how long did it take for them to recover?

How do you gather this data? I would love to do some analysis on the data, as well.

Thanks!

Steve

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The Boilermaker regional experienced just the opposite. When the Michigan regionals were closed to non-Michigan teams that removed a great deal of choice for other teams in the Midwest.

Boilermaker went from 28 teams with lots of open spots to selling out early and waitlisting teams.

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I cant wait to see how the 2nd round of regional picking will do to the South Florida Regional. We already have 2 northern teams going and I'm just curious to see if any others will get in seeing as most Florida teams going to orlando will try to sign up for it.

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I'd have to look more closely, but DC filled faster last year (25 vs. 11), while MD filled half as slowly last year(13 vs. 21)- both of these are as of this point in the registration process. Reasons can vary from date changes to new team growth to MAR taking teams away or forcing outside teams away from the PA/NJ events, but it's probably easiest to just look at who attended the last two years and compare who hasn't registered or yet registered this season.
I can take a poke at that analysis later for both MAR and FiM, but I have a rookie team meeting today that I'm taking off the afternoon for.

Some of the data is directly available from FIRST, such as, current registration numbers and who attended each regional last year. I also have a spreadsheet with past attendance info. That can be used to figure out what teams MD & DC will lose this season.
That's from my FRC Statistics page, which also has other stuff for you to play with if you like.

Other data, like how many teams were registered on such-and-such a date in 2007, I only have, because I collected it at the time. FIRST doesn't keep daily/weekly records like that. That's also on the FRC Statistics site, but isn't all directly linked. There are too many variations that only I find useful. For instance, I've taken random snapshots of regional team counts throughout the registration process each year. You can get to last years record directly using: http://www.team358.org/files/frc_rec...ration2011.xls

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Something else to consider with MD/DC/VA is the weeks of the events. In glancing through sign ups a number of MD/DC/VA teams that have competed in two events in the past have signed up for a distant events or MD for weeks 1-3 and I suspect they will sign up for VA or DC for week 4 or 5 when permitted.

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Yikes, they've been working hard in Quebec!

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No analysis, but I did use Mark's spreadsheet to tabulate the team counts for most of the regionals "near" Michigan. See the attachment. The transition from old school (2008) to Michigan districts (2009) is highlighted.

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Oregon and Boilermaker have reached their initial quotas and are now waitlisting.
Along with the MAR Rutgers district event.

Here's where event registration now stands at 9am.

• 40% of the available event slots have been taken - 1385 event slots spoken for.
• ~56% (estimated) of the teams we'll probably end up with this year are represented - 1320 teams registered.
• ~13% over this time last year (adjusted for last year's later MI & WA team list releases). Registration has set a brisk pace as you can see by the attached comparison chart with past years.

red means initial capacity has been reached (usually meaning there are 10 hidden reserved slots for waitlisters -rookies probably get priority).
Events that are close to initial capacity are labeled in green too.

54 ----- Autodesk Oregon Regional
42 ----- Oklahoma Regional
40 ----- Greater Kansas City Regional
40 ----- BAE Systems/Granite State Regional
39 ----- SBPLI Long Island Regional
37 ----- Los Angeles Regional
37 ----- Silicon Valley Regional (5 left)
35 ----- Midwest Regional (7 left)
33 ----- Orlando Regional
33 ----- Lake Superior Regional
33 ----- Boston Regional
32 ----- Festivale de Robotique FRC a Montreal Regional
32 ----- Rutgers M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event
31 ----- San Diego Regional
30 ----- Boilermaker Regional
29 ----- Pittsburgh Regional
29 ----- West Michigan FiM FRC Qualifying Event (1 left)
29 ----- Lenape M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event (1 left)
28 ----- Smoky Mountain Regional
28 ----- Finger Lakes Regional
28 ----- Mount Olive M.A.R. Qualifying Event (4 left)
27 ----- Virginia Regional
27 ----- Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
27 ----- Hatboro-Horsham M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event (3 left)
25 ----- Alamo Regional
25 ----- Seattle Cascade Regional
25 ----- Minnesota North Star Regional
24 ----- Northeast Utilities FIRST Connecticut Regional
22 ----- WPI Regional
22 ----- Peachtree Regional
21 ----- Chesapeake Regional
21 ----- Arizona Regional
20 ----- Kettering University FiM FRC Qualifying Event
20 ----- Chestnut Hill M.A.R. FRC Qualifying Event (6 left)
19 ----- Wisconsin Regional
18 ----- New York City Regional
18 ----- Colorado Regional
17 ----- North Carolina Regional
17 ----- Lone Star Regional
16 ----- Buckeye Regional
15 ----- Sacramento Regional
15 ----- Bayou Regional
14 ----- Seattle Olympic Regional
14 ----- South Florida Regional
13 ----- Utah Regional (capacity revised upwards)
13 ----- Palmetto Regional
13 ----- Greater Toronto West Regional
13 ----- Spokane Regional
13 ----- Traverse City FiM FRC Qualifying Event
12 ----- Washington DC Regional
11 ----- St. Louis Regional
11 ----- Queen City Regional
11 ----- Detroit FiM FRC Qualifying Event
11 ----- Troy FiM FRC Qualifying Event
10 ----- Livonia FiM FRC Qualifying Event
8 ------ Hawaii Regional
8 ------ Dallas West Regional
8 ------ Waterford FiM FRC Qualifying Event
7 ------ Waterloo Regional
7 ------ Northville FiM FRC Qualifying Event
6 ------ Dallas East Regional
6 ------ Las Vegas Regional
4 ------ Israel Regional
4 ------ Greater Toronto East Regional
4 ------ Central Valley Regional
4 ------ Niles FiM FRC Qualifying Event

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Does the Utah regional really have only 22 spaces open for initial registration?

(That's not enough teams for an 8-alliance elimination and at any given time, only three teams would be in the pits - all others would be in the queue, on deck or on the field!)

Did I miss something?

- Mr. Van
Coach, Robodox

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WPI is full at 22, but if the typical reserve is 10, then they really mean to allow 32.

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Utah was reset to 44 teams yesterday. Am looking forward to the new venue at the Maverick center (the location used for the hockey events at the Salt Lake Olympics)

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• We've broken 100 registered rookies.
• 7 resurrected veteran teams (sat out 1 or 2 years)
• 1 new "vet" team (2093 from Portland, OR)

As a general rule FIRST HQ makes Regional Directors reserve at least 10 slots. A few venues play with their numbers a bit during registration (like Utah), and in a pinch many can squeeze in a few more teams by reducing and rearranging the pit footprints. For my own accounting I usually assume the highest # of previous year teams at the same venue or the stated capacity+10 as the upper limit.

I think WPI can actually take 36 teams elbow-to-elbow.
Can't wait for the new facility to open for 2013, then we won't have the low overhead pits to contend with.

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We were told yesterday that there is only space for 2-3 more teams at Oregon. I registered for Seattle first because I hadn't realized there was so much growth in Oregon, so now we've got to find a new second home. Anyone interested in having Xbot come visit? :/

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How bout Orlando, Florida? lol Orlando could use some more northern influence.

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Come to DC!

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Insert Montreal plug here.

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Two votes for DC!

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Okay it has been a week. Here are the where the laid-back laggards are located. These are teams that played last season, but haven't re-upped yet.
With the caviats that Israel always registers later and Michigan customarily has a lot of hidden teams at this point and there are some building waitlists now hiding registered teams. Nothing that registering the first day wouldn't have cured!

missing - location
94 ----- TX
62 ----- MI
58 ----- CA
53 ----- MN
44 ----- Israel
43 ----- NY
40 ----- CANADA-ON
31 ----- VA
27 ----- WA
21 ----- GA
20 ----- NC
20 ----- FL
19 ----- HI
19 ----- AZ
18 ----- OH
18 ----- NJ
18 ----- MO
18 ----- CO
16 ----- LA
13 ----- WI
13 ----- UT
12 ----- PA
11 ----- MD
11 ----- MA
11 ----- DC
9 ------ NV
9 ------ NH
8 ------ SC
8 ------ Mexico
8 ------ IL
7 ------ TN
6 ------ OK
6 ------ KY
6 ------ IN
6 ------ CT
4 ------ MS
4 ------ KS
3 ------ Turkey
3 ------ OR
3 ------ ID
3 ------ Brazil
3 ------ AL
2 ------ MT
1 ------ WV
1 ------ VT
1 ------ UNITED KINGDOM
1 ------ RI
1 ------ PR
1 ------ ND
1 ------ ME
1 ------ Herzegovina
1 ------ CANADA-QC
1 ------ CANADA-AB
1 ------ AR


Same missing teams, but ranked as a % of their total teams last season:
missing ----- location
100.0% ---- Herzegovina
100.0% ---- CANADA-AB
91.7% ----- Israel
81.8% ----- NV
78.6% ----- DC
75.0% ----- Turkey
72.2% ----- UT
66.7% ----- LA
66.7% ----- Mexico
65.3% ----- TX
61.5% ----- CANADA-ON
60.0% ----- Brazil
59.4% ----- HI
58.3% ----- GA
55.6% ----- NC
51.4% ----- CO
51.4% ----- AZ
50.0% ----- KY
50.0% ----- UNITED KINGDOM
50.0% ----- PR
45.6% ----- VA
43.8% ----- TN
41.9% ----- WI
40.5% ----- MN
40.0% ----- MS
38.3% ----- OH
36.4% ----- FL
36.0% ----- MI
34.6% ----- MO
33.9% ----- NY
33.3% ----- MT
33.3% ----- VT
33.3% ----- ND
33.3% ----- AR
33.1% ----- CA
32.9% ----- WA
32.4% ----- MD
32.0% ----- SC
30.0% ----- AL
28.6% ----- NJ
28.1% ----- NH
25.0% ----- PA
23.1% ----- ID
21.1% ----- KS
20.8% ----- MA
20.0% ----- WV
20.0% ----- RI
18.6% ----- IL
17.6% ----- IN
14.3% ----- CT
12.5% ----- OK
12.5% ----- ME
8.6% ------ OR
7.1% ------ CANADA-QC

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Actually, there are 4 teams in RI! 3 are signed up for Boston and one for NH.

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This is a list of missing teams.
Not teams that successfully registered.

Rhode Island had 5 teams last year, so you're down 1, or missing 20% of your teams (sounds terrible when phrased that way doesn't it).
Team 3280 from Rhode Island is taking it's time and does not show as registered yet.

Here's a visual of the missing teams.

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For the NYC Regional, 21 spaces have been filled and 33 remain.
I have attached a list of the team, out the 21 teams. We have
2 rookies so far.

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Since teams like 27, 33 and 51 don't show up yet, that's a given.

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The rookies are coming, the rookies are coming...

17 ---- Canada-QC
10 ---- CA
10 ---- PA
7 ----- TN
6 ----- FL
4 ----- CANADA-ON
5 ----- NY
4 ----- IN
4 ----- Mexico
3 ----- AR
3 ----- MI
3 ----- TX
3 ----- WA
3 ----- WI
2 ----- AZ
2 ----- GA
2 ----- LA
2 ----- MA
2 ----- MN
2 ----- NC
2 ----- OK
2 ----- VA
1 ----- AL
1 ----- IA
1 ----- IL
1 ----- MD
1 ----- ME
1 ----- MO
1 ----- NH
1 ----- NJ
1 ----- NV
1 ----- OH
1 ----- OR
1 ----- SC
1 ----- UT

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Madison - week 6 in Spokane/Cheney could be fun - we are thinking about going north in the last week - would love to play with 488 again.

Mark

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The Quebec Regional is popping up with 17 teams from Quebec coming in as rookies, while only one Ohio team has joined up. (However, I guess I could count the KOI area and say there are 13 teams coming in, but I know none of their locations)

Do rookie events usually spawn rookie teams? I know that a few (like, maybe 10?) popped up when the then-NASA Langley Regional came to Richmond VA, including 422.

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It seems like a bad idea to schedule NYC on the same week as FLR. Oh well.

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Some interesting MAR info.

We have Three Rookies for 2012: 3929, 3974 and 4035. Two from PA and one from NJ. All three have registered for Chestnut Hill in Week Two.

Three Events are full: Rutgers, Lenape and Mount Olive.

There are currently Three Spots remaining in the MAR system (Not including hidden spots) - one at Hatboro-Horsham in week one and two at Chestnut Hill at week two.

Chestnut Hill currently has 24 teams registered. This will probably be the smallest official events most teams have ever been to. The number of teams could do interesting things to the draft as the serpentine comes back around, not to mention the turn around times will be rough, more than likely somewhere around 20-30 minutes from match to match.

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With such a small number of teams, match cycles will likely be very long simply because they have no trouble accommodating 12 matches.

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I was thinking the same thing as well, but I wonder how excessive downtime will affect the flow and feel of the event.

I'd much rather have shorter turn around times and more matches then have an excessive amount of downtime and worry about keeping spectators engaged.

Not to mention that C-Hill will be the second event of MAR and they may still be working on getting into the grove of the new structure... Guess we'll know in a few months.

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Assume 30 teams. It would probably work with ~9 minute match cycles and minimum match separation of 3 matches, so you don't keep playing the same teams. Meaning that you as leave the field after match X, teams from match X+1 go on, teams from match X+2 go to on deck, and you are immediately expected back in the queue line for match X+3. Of course some times, you might get a match separation of 6 or 7, average of 4.

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Registration is about 180 teams above this time last year - not quite two weeks ahead of last season. The list is growing at roughly 30-40 teams per weekday. Weekends drop off to a handful per day.
That's a good healthy early increase over the past four years registration rates.

• 1476 teams
• 126 rookies

Of the new Regionals, Montreal has proved the most popular, but that might have something to do with the 17 local rookies also brought online. They even attracted a Mexican rookie team.

Lake Superior, new last season, has attracted 3X the number of first choice teams as this same time last year.

Five Regionals have dipped into assigning some of their reserved slots.

I haven't broken out last year's MAR veterans from PA yet (De & NJ are easy). Any of you MAR people done that?

Large numbers of rookies aren't always common for new Regionals, but it might tend to follow. Obviously Montreal tied the two together.
There have been others tied together, such as Richmond, in the past. Local events do make it easier to attract schools.
Maybe FIRST could increase FRC enrollment by moving events to a new city every year. :rolleyes:

We'd probably have to look at # rookies gained by a Regional every year to be sure the first year was special. In some cases I looked at it actually climbed higher in subsequent years as FRC caught on locally.
I haven't included regionals that became doubles below, but they also rack up rookies.
Minnesota is the record holder (as far as I looked). Second place is... 1992 in NH. :)

2011

• Alamo had 18 rookies their first time
• Smoky Mountain = 13
• Lake Superior = 9

2010

• WPI = 4 rookies
• North Carolina = 10
• Utah = 17

2009

• Dallas = 26
• DC = 12

2008

• Hawaii = 20
• Oklahoma = 27
• Minnesota = 30

2007

• Brazil pilot = 8
• San Diego = 9
• Kansas City = 15

2006

• WI = 9
• MA = 14

2005

• Waterloo = 5
• Boilermaker = 6
• Finger Lakes = 9
• Las Vegas = 12
• Israel-pilot = 12 (all at the event)

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Any idea on what Boston had for rookies it's first year (2006)?

-Brando

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14

I'll add some more years above (below to me :-) )

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I see that 415 team Bosch has registered for Smoky Mountain (note that it is Smoky, not Smokey as it was incorrectly noted on alot of FIRST sites last year, probably still carrying over this year) after a 6 year hiatus. Anyone know the details on their revival? - glad to have them back.

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Thanks!

-Brando

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I blindly copied the incorrect spelling off last year's list, but I knew better.
I fixed it in my post.
Thanks

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I'm very curious about all the teams sprouting this year in Montreal. Who is funding all these teams? How long do these teams expect to gain continued support from the current organization? Is it more than just rookie year support?

I'm sure FIRST Canada (knowing some of the people who are a part of it) have thought of all the teams who might not return if they don't find sponsors. I just wanted to hear about who is the sponsor for these teams and how long we can expect that money to last.

Awesome work FIRST Canada, that is like the insane Washington and MN team growth in the past few years.

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1492 teams
The day after Columbus Day...

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I would bet some of them are sponsored by United Technologies through Pratt & Whitney Canada which is in Montreal (Technically the Mirabel Suburb). Also Bombardier has many facilliteis around the city for their various divisions including their airframe division that mkes the Canadair Regional Jets and will make the C-Series planes.

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Youth Fusion seems to be behind most of the new Montreal Canadian rookies-a large chunk.
They are supporting not only rookies, but also two- and three-year veteran teams in Quebec.
Including the two companies Peter guessed.

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Registration for Championships has opened and there are:

1. 54 teams (out of 142 open slots) signed up in the first 5 minutes.
2. 70 teams registered by the 12:30 mark - about half the open slots are now taken.
3. 80 teams in the first hour.

At first this is progressing at the same rate as last year.
In 2010 there were 78 registered at the end of an hour vs. 80 in 2012.
Last year it took four days to fill this number (142) of Championship open slots.

P.S.
Picking up a little speed in the late afternoon, open slots remaining are going fast.
There are only:

• 18 at 4:40pm EST
• 16 at 5:05
• 13 at 5:10
• 11 at 5:20
• 2 at 7:30
• 1 at 8:14
• 0 and we are done at 8:15

8 hours to register 142 teams, whereas last year the same number took 4 days.
The first 3 hours were just like last year, but after school let out things really took off - starting about 3:30pm EST.
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Final accounting:

• (1) team from Brazil
• (2) teams from Canada

States (including non-US):
MI ---- 16
CA ---- 15
NY ---- 10
FL ----- 9
CT ----- 8
IL ----- 7
IN ----- 7
NJ ----- 7
PA ----- 6
MA ----- 5
OH ----- 5
VA ----- 5
NH ----- 4
TX ----- 4
WA ----- 3
DC ----- 2
HI ----- 2
MD ----- 2
MN ----- 2
MO ----- 2
OK ----- 2
ON ----- 2
OR ----- 2
WI ----- 2
AK ----- 1
AR ----- 1
AZ ----- 1
CO ----- 1
DE ----- 1
GA ----- 1
KS ----- 1
ME ----- 1
MS ----- 1
RI ----- 1
RS ----- 1
SC ----- 1
WY ----- 1

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Is it possible to register for a filled event if teams drop out?

EDIT:
erm I mean what is the process to take a vacated spot?

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After the first-come/first-served open slots are all taken the events maintain a small discretionary waitlist of teams registered as wanting to attend.
Each event has 10 or more reserved slots, usually kept for rookies as first choice, but available for waitlisted teams if rookies don't appear to take them. Some events have already begun to dip into their reserved slots and assign them to rookies, so you can't just add 10 to the visible number of teams + remaining slots. You have to have been watching all along, or if an event's at the same venue, then you can probably use last year's # of teams as a guide.

If teams on the event list drop out, then they will be replaced by a team from the waitlist at the Regional Director's discretion. Slots are non-transferable, so you can't give yours up for a friend-no scalping. RD's determine their own priorities, for instance one RD may assign to rookies, then teams in need/struggling, followed by stalwart regional fundraisers/supporters, teams that bring diversity, or the order teams signed up.

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• 1620 teams are showing as registered
• 16.7% ahead of last season's numbers at this same time
• 154 rookies (9.5% of teams-this number commonly ends up being close to 20% of all teams)
• 1 "new" vet
• 10 resurrected vets
• 1455 returning vets
• 40,000 students (assuming an average of 25 students per team)
• 11 events at initial capacity, 12 others with single-digit # slots remaining
• 10 countries represented - USA, Canada, Mexico, Israel, Brazil, United Kingdom, Australia, Germany, Turkey, Chile

These are the places leading in team registrations:

Count - Place
147 ---- CA
147 ---- MI
103 ---- NY
91 ----- MN
75 ----- WA
70 ----- TX
51 ----- PA
50 ----- FL
49 ----- Canada-ON
48 ----- NJ
46 ----- MA
46 ----- OK
46 ----- VA
40 ----- MO
38 ----- CT
38 ----- OR
37 ----- IL
37 ----- OH
35 ----- IN
31 ----- Canada-QC
30 ----- WI
28 ----- MD
27 ----- AZ
26 ----- NH
25 ----- SC
23 ----- CO
22 ----- NC
21 ----- GA
18 ----- HI
17 ----- TN
16 ----- KS
13 ----- LA
12 ----- ID
11 ----- ME
10 ----- Mexico
8 ------ AL
8 ------ DC
8 ------ MS
8 ------ UT
7 ------ AR
7 ------ Israel
7 ------ KY
6 ------ NV
4 ------ IA
4 ------ MT
4 ------ RI
4 ------ WV
3 ------ WY
2 ------ AK
2 ------ Brazil
2 ------ DE
2 ------ ND
2 ------ NM
2 ------ VT
1 ------ Australia
1 ------ Chile
1 ------ Germany
1 ------ GreatBritain
1 ------ PR
1 ------ Turkey

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What's the difference between the "new" vet and the resurrected vets?

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The "new" vet is a brand new team given a veteran team number, usually when the new team has more than 5 experienced students. See FIRST's Rookie team criteria.
In this case it's new team 2093 from Portland, OR.

I consider a team a resurrected veteran whenever the same team number is used after being away for a year or more. For instance, this year team 415 from Anderson, SC has returned after not playing for 6 years.

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Registration past the 2009 mark of 1677 teams before noon today.
It's now 240 teams ahead of last year at this same point in time.

We seem to have gained a team (4091) from the Dominican Republic.

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From today's Bill's Blog

1782 registered teams and counting

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1700 teams are showing, so that puts the number of waitlisted teams at 82.
Registration is a bit like a yo-yo this morning. It's hit the 1700 team mark three different times (that I noticed) already.

12 events (Regionals & MAR) are at the waitlist stage, plus whatever Michigan may be hiding.
45 events are advertising spots remaining.

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I forgot to post this data earlier.
This is based on 2011 event attendance only, so teams that dropped in at an event for a single season are included. For a better picture I should only have counted teams that attend regularly, e.g., the last two years.
Two MAR teams traveled for every non-MAR team that traveled to the PA/NJ Regionals.
"Travel" is a loose term, since in some cases the distance involved was as short as the width of the Hudson river or the 25 miles from PA to Baltimore.

Mid-Atlantic events will lose 25 outside teams this year (# teams and % of all teams at the event):

• (15) - 24.6% of teams who attended the NJ Regional
• (10) - 17.9% of teams who attended the PA Regional

Outside events will lose 51 slots formerly filled by MAR teams.
The biggest impact will be from the loss of MAR teams close to NYC and Baltimore:

• (16) - 24.2% of all teams at NYC
• (12) - 20% at Chesapeake
• (8) - 12.7% at DC
• (4) - 6.3% at VA
• (2) - 3.5% at CT
• (2) - 4% at LI
• (2) - 3.8% at Midwest
• (2) - 3.4% at Orlando
• (1) - 2.3% at Finger Lakes
• (1) - 1.9% at Boston
• (1) - 2.3% at SC

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The 1760 teams showing as registered for 2012 events exactly equals the sum of team years from 1992 to 2001.

Year ----- # ---- Sum
1992 --- 28 ----- 28
1993 --- 25 ----- 53
1994 --- 44 ----- 97
1995 --- 59 ---- 156
1996 --- 94 ---- 250
1997 --- 155 --- 405
1998 --- 199 --- 604
1999 --- 269 --- 873
2000 --- 372 --- 1245
2001 --- 515 --- 1760

It's unlikely that we'll reach the 2002 total team years of 2401 this year, but we're certain to surpass it by next year.

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1800 teams this morning.

Close to 270 teams or three weeks ahead of last year at this time.

P.S.
Michigan moved a bunch of teams into district events.

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It's just about time to open up Regionals to teams as 2nd events.
Here's where the events currently stand.

We're roughly at the 80% mark, so a correspondingly rough guess would place the number of teams this season at ~2270.

At initial capacity (Join Waitlist):

• Granite State
• San Diego
• WPI
• Oregon
• Pittsburgh
• Los Angeles
• Boilermaker
• Midwest
• Seattle Cascade
• Silicon Valley
• SBPLI

All the MAR events are at similar initial capacities.

Michigan does it's own thing, as they have already begun assigning (~95) 2nd events. Even so most districts or qualifiers are at or close to a similar initial capacity. Niles is the only one with a lot of open spots.

Single-digit openings (Add Event):

• Kansas City
• Smoky Mountain
• Orlando
• Finger Lakes
• Montreal
• Sacramento
• Peachtree
• Waterloo
• Arizona
• Colorado
• Boston
• Oklahoma

More space:

• Alamo
• Israel
• Toronto East
• Toronto West
• Chesapeake
• Lake Superior
• Bayou
• Utah
• Virginia
• NYC
• Hawaii
• St. Louis
• Buckeye
• Palmetto
• Seattle Olympic
• Wisconsin
• Connecticut
• DC
• South Florida
• North Star
• 10000 Lakes
• Dallas West
• Dallas East
• Central Valley
• North Carolina
• Las Vegas
• Queen City
• Lone Star
• Spokane

Re: Registration 2012
 

Chesapeake Regional should be interesting this year!

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The early draws (1st half hour) were:

• 19-CT
• 16-DC
• 14-NYC gone to waitlist
• 12-Buckeye
• 10-NC

195 visible (non-waitlist) teams signed up in the 1st half hour.

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Ten minutes after noon EST, Kansas City and Smoky Mountain were offering the waitlist. The Alamo Regional is the only Week 1 event still advertising open slots.

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Knoxville was full at 12:03 .... :(

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Agreed! I'm looking forward to it!

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Wow, looks like we picked a heck of year to drive up Baltimore. Looks like it will be a lot of fun!

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Some interesting events: Boston (125, 233), Chesapeake (27, 217), NYC (125, 1676, 2016), Orlando (25, 233).

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Waitlisted Regionals now:

Arizona Regional
Autodesk Oregon Regional
Pittsburgh Regional
BAE Systems/Granite State Regional
Boilermaker Regional
WPI Regional
SBPLI Long Island Regional
Midwest Regional
FIRST Championship
Greater Kansas City Regional
Smoky Mountain Regional
San Diego Regional
Finger Lakes Regional
Sacramento Regional
Los Angeles Regional
New York City Regional
Waterloo Regional
Boston Regional
Seattle Cascade Regional
Silicon Valley Regional
Northeast Utilities FIRST Connecticut Regional

Re: Registration 2012
 

I was just able to register for Autodesk Oregon Regional. Not sure if they've opened up some spots or if something went horribly wrong.

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I can't get to the FIRST website - must be really busy after school today.

Chris - we'll make room for you in our pit at Smoky Mountain.

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FIRST site is back up. Spokane regional has reached capacity.

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A few more Regionals have gone to waitlists with 333 teams appearing on 2nd event team lists:

Orlando Regional
Colorado Regional
Washington DC Regional
South Florida Regional
North Carolina Regional
Spokane Regional
St. Louis Regional

Re: Registration 2012
 

Wow. Site goes down when I'm trying to register my team for the North Carolina Regional, only to come back and find that both it and the DC Regional are closed.
This certainly is not good.

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Don't give up too easily. It's worth communicating with the two Regional Directors to discover what your chances are of getting into each of the events.

I'd guess North Carolina could potentially fit in 12 more teams and DC another 10.

Oregon seems to be immediately rolling the teams right over onto the team list.
They've listed 9 teams past their initially advertised capacity.

#teams past initial capacity (i.e., from the waitlists) / Event

• -9 Autodesk Oregon Regional
• -6 Pittsburgh Regional
• -4 Boilermaker Regional
• -4 BAE Systems/Granite State Regional
• -2 SBPLI Long Island Regional
• -2 WPI Regional
• -1 Midwest Regional
• -1 Waterloo Regional

Re: Registration 2012
 

Don't just ask how likely it is. Provide some information about why you want to attend that particular regional, with details like travel time/distance restrictions and conflicts with other weeks' events. That'll give the regional planning committee some information to work with when prioritizing the waitlisted teams.

One trick you might use immediately is to look at how many teams attended last year and compare it to the number of teams currently registered. That can give you an indication of how many "reserved" slots the regional has.

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Do you have any idea who the 9 teams that were wrongfully registered for Oregon are?

I received an email from the Oregon RD saying that our ability to register was a mistake. We're waiting to hear from New Hampshire about the next step, but she didn't seem aware that the problem extended beyond just us.