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lynca 03-10-2011 11:51

Square Holes
 
I thought this was a great video showing off a Japanese tool to machine square holes.

http://www.wimp.com/squareholes/

http://www.dijetusa.com/

Have people used this tool before or some other technique for making square holes in thick metal ?

yarden.saa 03-10-2011 12:38

Re: Square Holes
 
Wow!!!

Brandon Holley 03-10-2011 13:00

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Very cool. I've never used something like that before personally, but it does seem pretty interesting.

-Brando

Tristan Lall 04-10-2011 04:07

Re: Square Holes
 
Here's an animation of the principle. Note that it produces slightly radiused corners.

There's a similar tool (called a mortiser) that does roughly the same thing for wood. It uses a different principle, though: brute force. (It's a combination chisel and drill.)

Al Skierkiewicz 04-10-2011 08:12

Re: Square Holes
 
Sort of like a Wankel Engine isn't it?

tsaksa 04-10-2011 08:52

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I have used this technique for years to produce all manner of hole profiles, pentagons, hexagons, even triangles, that are significantly over sized for the drill bit being used. It works best using a very large diameter drill bit held in a small hand held drill. A badly sharpened drill bit works best, as does thin soft material that tends to produce a lot of drill chatter. By hand the technique is a bit difficult to reproduce. I seem to have the best luck getting them to come out with good sharp corners when I am overly rushed, and absolutely need round holes that are not over sized.

Tom

jason701802 04-10-2011 12:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tsaksa (Post 1079888)
I have used this technique for years to produce all manner of hole profiles, pentagons, hexagons, even triangles, that are significantly over sized for the drill bit being used. It works best using a very large diameter drill bit held in a small hand held drill. A badly sharpened drill bit works best, as does thin soft material that tends to produce a lot of drill chatter. By hand the technique is a bit difficult to reproduce. I seem to have the best luck getting them to come out with good sharp corners when I am overly rushed, and absolutely need round holes that are not over sized.

Tom

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Racer26 04-10-2011 15:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 1079884)
Sort of like a Wankel Engine isn't it?

Yes, its based off the principle of the very same reuleaux triangle as the wankel engine.

PAR_WIG1350 04-10-2011 17:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 1079947)
Yes, its based off the principle of the very same reuleaux triangle as the wankel engine.

Wankle engines actually don't use a true reuleaux triangle for a rotor profile. A Reuleaux triangle is composed of three 60 degree arcs with centers on the opposite corners. Wankle rotors use an arcs less than 60 degrees with centers beyond the opposite corners. This is important to note because while a Reuleaux triangle is a shape of constant width, a Wankle rotor is not.

Al Skierkiewicz 05-10-2011 08:27

Re: Square Holes
 
I owned an RX-4 a long time ago. Once you became accustomed to dealing with no low end torque, it was one fun car to drive. In the pre 55mph days, that car hit 70 at 4000 RPM. With a ten mph increase for every 500 rpm and a 7000 redline, you can get an idea of why RX-4 owners were pretty happy. It had a great suspension that made me take it off the highway often. The summer after I bought it, I was working nights on transmitter proofs. My wife would talk me into driving her downtown to work and then I would get out onto LSD (Lake Shore Drive) headed north just like the song. When LSD ends it turns into Sheridan Road and I would take that all the way up into Highland Park, riding through Evanston and the Northwestern Campus. Sheridan is a tree lined, curvy road with lot's of turns, stone bridges and old mansions as it passes through the affluent neighborhoods north of Evanston.

Gary Dillard 05-10-2011 13:32

Re: Square Holes
 
Has anyone ever used something like this for milling with a drill press?

ratdude747 05-10-2011 13:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1080123)
Has anyone ever used something like this for milling with a drill press?

sounds like a good way to break bits... drill bits are too flexible and drill presses don't have enough torque anyway.

it is good for bolting to the drill press to drill precision holes, however.

Gary Dillard 05-10-2011 13:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1080124)
sounds like a good way to break bits... drill bits are too flexible and drill presses don't have enough torque anyway.

it is good for bolting to the drill press to drill precision holes, however.

The video shows using mill bits in the drill press. I would worry more about wearing out bearings.

PAR_WIG1350 05-10-2011 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1080128)
The video shows using mill bits in the drill press. I would worry more about wearing out bearings.

If they also sold a spindle that had additional bearings that could be attached to the drill press for use with the vise, then they would have something suitable for things like pocket milling.

Al Skierkiewicz 05-10-2011 14:21

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I haven't used one recently but it works ok on thin materials and plastics. It is not so much the wear on the drill press, it is the flexibility in the vise and drill press bed. If you try to do anything on heavier material, the chatter eats up the workpiece.


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