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Michael Blake 10-11-2011 09:14

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Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1084529)
8 divisions:
Archimedes
Curie
Galileo
Newton
Aldrin
Armstrong
Grissom
Wolf

Swap-out "Wolf"... replace with "V-Neun"... IMHO... ;-)

Taylor 10-11-2011 09:17

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Originally Posted by Michael Blake (Post 1084536)
Swap-out "Wolf"... replace with "V-Neun"... IMHO... ;-)

Are you saying JVN is spacey? :ahh:

edit: more than a little sarcasm should be read in that.

Michael Blake 10-11-2011 09:24

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Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1084537)
Are you saying JVN is spacey? :ahh:

JVN is awesome and helpful... an exemplar for those pursuing EXCELLENCE...

You either get-it, or you don't.

Peter Matteson 10-11-2011 09:57

Re: [BB] Bills Blog 11/09/11
 
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Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1084529)
8 divisions:
Archimedes
Curie
Galileo
Newton

Switch your new ones for:
Bacon
Goddard
Von Braun
Fermi

thefro526 10-11-2011 10:02

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1084515)
8 divisions would be cool, if logistically possible, but it wouldn't be the same as the current Einstein.

When I suggested 8 divisions 3 months ago you didn't like it. Meanie. (Just messing with you Akash.)

I've been thinking a lot on the subject of 8 divisions just to give each team more field time at the CMP. If the over all number were capped at 400 (~50 more teams than now) it'd allow for 50 Team Divisions, so each team could play anywhere from up to 15 matches depending on turn around and assuming we kept the Thursday Quals.

Seems like this could work in Theory, but would require 4 fields in the Dome and 4 Fields in the pits, not including Einstein. I think there's enough space for it, but I haven't crunched any hard numbers or figured out where FLL and FTC pits would be.

Division play offs might be less exciting than with the current 4 Division system. Figure 1 of every 2 teams would make Eliminations vs the current ~ 1 in 3.5.

Would be interesting to see.

jwfoss 10-11-2011 10:19

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As cool as it would be too see 8 divisions at Champs, the shear volume in increase of the needed volunteers; FTAs, scoring, field reset, etc... required to double the number of fields makes this idea seem rather unlikely.

I'd be happy to just see the return of the fields to the dome. Walking into the dome for the first time as a senior in high school back in 2006 in Atlanta and seeing all those fields and people was nothing short of amazing.

Nick Lawrence 10-11-2011 10:20

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If they had a full Elimination bracket for Einstein, maybe the finals matches wouldnt feel like such a side-show to everything else...

-Nick

Peter Matteson 10-11-2011 10:42

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Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence (Post 1084545)
If they had a full Elimination bracket for Einstein, maybe the finals matches wouldnt feel like such a side-show to everything else...

-Nick

This year was definitely the worst for that.
I don't think the average FIRSTer understands how bad it was.

theprgramerdude 10-11-2011 10:47

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Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1084529)
8 divisions:
Archimedes
Curie
Galileo
Newton
Star Fox
Falco
Peppy
Slippy

I fixed it to the appropriate space names.

Racer26 10-11-2011 11:04

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For those doubters, I did the math last year and posted it in one of the Championship threads, its POSSIBLE to fit 10 FRC fields on a Regulation NFL field. (That leaves 8 FRC Divisions, plus einstein/fll, plus an FRC field sized hole for 2 FTC fields).

Yes, it would be a little cramped, and yes, logistically it would have to be worked out (robot paths in/out of the dome, etc) but it CAN be done. It might require additional auditory field separation measures, like curtains or something, to prevent too much bleedover from adjacent fields.

Also remember, the floor of an NFL stadium is actually BIGGER than the NFL field it contains.

JohnBoucher 10-11-2011 11:31

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You all want to double the number of teams in the queue line?

EricH 10-11-2011 11:44

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Originally Posted by JohnBoucher (Post 1084559)
You all want to double the number of teams in the queue line?

But they're also doubling the number of queue lines.

4 divisions is at about capacity right now. Another year or two, and there just about won't be room for the qualifying teams in 4 divisions. Adding 4 more divisions (and reducing division size) allows room to expand in future, while buying time to come up with another qualifying structure.

Now, that provides a rather large logistical challenge... but there are ways to deal with logistics.

Karibou 10-11-2011 13:20

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1084561)
But they're also doubling the number of queue lines.

And the number of teams overall. You would need twice as much pit space, and I don't know how they would manage that one.

BrendanB 10-11-2011 13:28

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I highly doubt we will see 8 divisions of 75 teams they might have the space for the fields but they don't have the pit space. I can see them increasing the number of districts and decrease the number that qualify from each event in order to compensate for the expansion of teams but set Championship space.

It will be very interesting to see what FIRST looks like in 5 years! Look at all the changes in the past 3 years!

EricH 10-11-2011 13:33

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Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1084563)
And the number of teams overall. You would need twice as much pit space, and I don't know how they would manage that one.

Not necessarily. If you look at the number of teams proposed (400 in 8 divisions), you don't increase the total all that much. Something like 60 more teams. That's doable with some creative use of space and not having to deal with a concert stage.


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