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CNettles11 03-12-2011 21:19

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
From looking up some of these parts, I can tell you that an object will more than likely be passing through a goal of some kind. Expect balls.

thefro526 03-12-2011 21:29

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CNettles11 (Post 1088425)
Nobody wants to look up each individual part. Oh wait, that's what i'm doing right now!

Chris Elston already did.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=55

Seems like people don't read through the thread in it's entirety.

JaneYoung 03-12-2011 21:34

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1088458)
If a student has the ability to use google, they should have the ability to give some sort of input if they want, regardless of being a rookie or non-techies.


Actually, Akash, I was thinking of rookie teams - not just the students.

Jane

CNettles11 03-12-2011 21:39

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 1088464)
Chris Elston already did.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=55

Seems like people don't read through the thread in it's entirety.

Our team split up the parts and assigned a few people the parts. We're trying to familiarize the team with the field and what parts will be on it/how they're used.

vic burg 03-12-2011 21:44

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 1088464)
Chris Elston already did.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=55

Seems like people don't read through the thread in it's entirety.

While it's not one of the longest thread we have, it is quite a bit to read through in one sitting if you are a more creative mind like myself and get distracted (as I just did with Narnia) easily or if you wanted to get your ideas down before you forgot them. I do understand reading threads through fully but sometimes you just don't want to.
Thank you though for relinking us to that.

Cavins240 03-12-2011 21:52

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
I was on the Web for about 30 minutes and came up with this list of sights if anyone is interested...


http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/1492CJ64 (FIRST 3 ARE THE SAME JUST DIFFERENT AMOUNT)

http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/1492EAJ35
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http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%2...EY/1606XLP100E
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/1606XLP50B

http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%2.../1732E16CFGM12
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/1738AENT
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http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/199DR1

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...P-T10C4A6.aspx

http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/42SML7100
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http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/602152

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/RA-800F-1MM2.aspx

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...CSDDBSLD4.aspx

http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855ELL24B
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http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%2.../855PBB12ME522

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/RA-855T-B00XN7.aspx
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TB24TA1
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TB24TL3
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TB24TL4
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TB24TL5
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TB24TL6
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TBCBC
http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/855TBPM10

879D-F4AET5M-1

http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%2...Y/888DM4AC60M3

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...M4AE1-0M3.aspx

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/RA-889D-E4AE-2.aspx

http://www.plccenter.com/Buy/ALLEN%20BRADLEY/889DF4AE5

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...F4AEDE-10.aspx

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...R4ACDE-10.aspx

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...-R4ACDE-5.aspx

889-V12AH-5

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...N-R4AF-6F.aspx

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...RLD000ENE.aspx

http://www.plchardware.com/Products/...RLD300ENE.aspx

nathannfm 03-12-2011 22:09

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vic burg (Post 1088459)
Well, going off of what I know for sure has been on field before (don't know 100% but I do notice some things that have NOT been on the field before), the AMBER light, which when lit will be quite similar to red since it will be orangish and the cameras will have a hard time distinguishing between these lights, which could easily be part of the challenge of autonomous mode is doing a task where the robot has to do something with the lights. There are 14 of the Ambers lights as well, which would be one per field if going by the count of others things that are on the field of 1 each. However, there is also the hood for the Amber light for the robots so that's another something in there, with a count of 2500 so that's obviously for each robot (although I think we'll need more seeing as how team numbers are way up in the 3000s).
Also, the count of 14 e-stops not 19 confuses me slightly since we'll be having 19 fields.
Also, the RSLogix stuff at the bottom.... only 1 and 2 of those items. Quick Google search tells me it's from Rockwell (obviously) and it's a programming software. Now, I don't know if it's just for the field seeing as how small of an amount they are donating but most likely. Do not know if it has been used before, though.
Some interesting things going on, though. :)


Remember, they are building 2 new fields so that's why there are 2 (or a backup 3rd) of some things, or in the case of e-stop buttons one per driver station per 2 fields with one backup each.
And I have seen a few teams on here with 4000#'s but not every number is still active, so I think 2500 is plenty. (most of this was addressed in previous posts)

DSM33 03-12-2011 22:21

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
The mention of 6 scoring zones per side intrigued me. What if this year's game was something like a mix of Aim High and Breakaway? There would be two stacks of 3 goals at three different heights (imagine LogoMotion now) and they were all worth different amounts of points (probably the same-ish scoring as LogoMotion: 3=highest, 2=middle, 1=lowest). This would prevent the decreased scoring throughout the match like last year, instead teams would have to decide strategically if pushing a load of balls in the low goal is as beneficial as shooting them into the top goal.

To further increase the strategic element of the game, a light is present in each goal and switches randomly between goals throughout the match. The goal with the light on is worth 5 points rather than its normal point value.

Just the game I came up with in my head after reading this thread :D

Andrew Lawrence 03-12-2011 22:29

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DSM33 (Post 1088473)
The mention of 6 scoring zones per side intrigued me. What if this year's game was something like a mix of Aim High and Breakaway? There would be two stacks of 3 goals at three different heights (imagine LogoMotion now) and they were all worth different amounts of points (probably the same-ish scoring as LogoMotion: 3=highest, 2=middle, 1=lowest). This would prevent the decreased scoring throughout the match like last year, instead teams would have to decide strategically if pushing a load of balls in the low goal is as beneficial as shooting them into the top goal.

To further increase the strategic element of the game, a light is present in each goal and switches randomly between goals throughout the match. The goal with the light on is worth 5 points rather than its normal point value.

Just the game I came up with in my head after reading this thread :D

Sounds fun! I like the idea of having a certain goal area being worth more points than the others, and then switching off to another goal area.

zaphodp.jensen 03-12-2011 23:21

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vic burg (Post 1088459)
Well, going off of what I know for sure has been on field before (don't know 100% but I do notice some things that have NOT been on the field before), the AMBER light, which when lit will be quite similar to red since it will be orangish and the cameras will have a hard time distinguishing between these lights, which could easily be part of the challenge of autonomous mode is doing a task where the robot has to do something with the lights. There are 14 of the Ambers lights as well, which would be one per field if going by the count of others things that are on the field of 1 each. However, there is also the hood for the Amber light for the robots so that's another something in there, with a count of 2500 so that's obviously for each robot (although I think we'll need more seeing as how team numbers are way up in the 3000s).
Also, the count of 14 e-stops not 19 confuses me slightly since we'll be having 19 fields.
Also, the RSLogix stuff at the bottom.... only 1 and 2 of those items. Quick Google search tells me it's from Rockwell (obviously) and it's a programming software. Now, I don't know if it's just for the field seeing as how small of an amount they are donating but most likely. Do not know if it has been used before, though.
Some interesting things going on, though. :)

If you check out my post above, vic burg, you will see the math that I deduced and:
Originally Posted by Bill's Blog 9/15/11
We’re building two additional competition fields this year bringing the total number of fields on the road to 19 (if you include the one packaged and staged for emergency deployment if something should happen to one of the other fields as it travels between events).

They only have to acquire the materials needed to build two more fields, they already have the necessary equipment for the other 17... Thus the reduced number of e-stops, 6 per field for two alliances, plus one master or spare per field...

DavisC 04-12-2011 00:50

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Now, a bit ago I went through some old game hints and remember some methods of looking at the picture, like once it had a low-resolution and people made relations with that.

Has anyone else noticed that by default this picture is quite SMALL and needs to be zoomed to be read? (It's beginning to look a lot like ... tennis balls)
Also while it would've made since for tennis balls last year, I think it only should mean its more likely this year b/c the GDC always comes up with several ideas and decides to hold off on some for next yrs picks.

Andrew Lawrence 04-12-2011 01:00

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
I don't know why, but I'm kinda just against tennis balls. I just do not want them in the 2012 FRC game. I know they have been used before, but that was when the robots were small enough to look like FTC bots. This is FRC. There are a multitude of other reasons why I don't want tennis balls, but I won't go into detail right now.

mesamb1 04-12-2011 01:19

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DavisC (Post 1088488)
Has anyone else noticed that by default this picture is quite SMALL and needs to be zoomed to be read? (It's beginning to look a lot like ... tennis balls)

This is not guaranteed from browser to browser to be required since it depends on your monitor resolution/Internet browser.

What about a maze game? there are multiple exits from the maze, or your minibot goes to the end of the maze. It would use the sensors, limit switches perhaps to indicate your completion, or entering a new zone. just a thought

DavisC 04-12-2011 02:00

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
I'm getting to the point where I think we need a hint for the game hint...

but no such luck, going to have to wait for hint #2

Jash_J 04-12-2011 02:17

Re: First Official 2012 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CNettles11 (Post 1088462)
From looking up some of these parts, I can tell you that an object will more than likely be passing through a goal of some kind. Expect balls.

Balls such as footballs? I noticed on the night before the hint they said that the elfbot had the hint tucked under his arm, signalling that usually football players hold their ball like this, im assuming a football is a speculation we can consider?


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