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Do you anticipate being able to support the potential demand?
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Will you be selling pre-lightened versions of the gears? (Aluminum is light; holes are lighter!)
Just curious: are they 7075-T6, -T7 or something else? Is there much wear of the dog mating surfaces after several hundred hard (e.g. pneumatic) shifts? I'm curious if it rounds off the edges on the aluminum dog gears. (Even if it does, it will likely be no trouble at all for most customers.) |
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Oh boy, I've been waiting for COTS dog gear replacements...
Time to get that 3/8" hex broach. |
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These look awesome! Do I see correctly that these include the little nub around the hole to keep them away from bearings? The size selection will be nice too. I'm guessing mostly 3/8" hex on most of these? Are 35/45/48/60 only available with the dog cutout, or can they have keyed hole (hex or otherwise) as well? Can't wait to see these available!
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We shift with a 7075 dog on 4140/1144 steel gears with no wear whatsoever on the dog itself. In 07 we had a 7075 dog on hard anodized 7075 gears and saw no wear on either the dog or dog gear. |
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Only took you 3 years, RC.
I kid, I kid. <3 |
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If others did/do notice what they would consider excessive wear, I would also ask that they objectively determine if it is causing any excessive backlash, efficiency changes, or is causing further wear more rapidly. RC, a question for you. Are these gears cut with a modified addendum and dedendum to account for the build-up of the type III anodize? |
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I feel a lot better after talking to AM, I have everything ready to go in order to ship these guys and I believe I have made enough for this year. First year in, so I don't know how much demand there truly will be. But provisions have been made to make more gears during season if needed. The place I work at has an SL-30 lathe with a bar feed that normally runs lights out, as long as the OD is under 3" I can have blanks ready next day for the hob guy/shipped over night via Ontrac. Quote:
All the gears are 7075-T6 and Cory/Travis are correct. The coating 1323/973 used last year wasn't that good, but the new coating is significantly better. It is similar to AM's 50T and when we used his 50T this year and last year for some high speed applications, that coating was very very good. Quote:
Current Lineup: 14T - CIM pinion - 3/8 Hex 15T - 3/8 Hex 28T - 3/8 Hex 30T - 3/8 Hex 35T - Dog Gear 45T - 3/8 Hex - 1/2 Hex - Dog Gear 48T - 1/2 Hex - Dog Gear 56T - 1/2 Hex (Cimple Box Gear) 60T - 3/8 Hex - 1/2 Hex - Dog Gear Quote:
I believe either you or Adam brought this up when we made our season gears last year. We did not do that last season, but this year after talking to the Ano/Gear place we have. -The ano place, Nituff says ano should be .001 penetration and .001 build up. Normal range of build up is .0008 to .0012 according to the rep. -The gear guy is compensating for that, I got a shop tour and talked to them about our application. They said they would cut a few gears, get them ano'd in house and then make sure it passes their QC, which is quite nice. -RC |
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Cool. Thanks for the info. Sounds like something we might have to consider this year.
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Also, I'm not sure if RC has brought this up but, many of these gears will be drop in replacements for AM gears, so if you find yourself in need of an extra pound or two in the last week of build, keep WCP in mind. |
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Any idea what pricing is looking like?
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THANK YOU! :D
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Other products include bearings, roller chain, and wheel hubs. Stay tuned! |
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I have the site pretty much setup and viewable, I am just: -Integrating a few things -Testing stuff out -Making sure people can't buy stuff till I have it able to ship -Making a few tweaks. I'll be posting it up soon for viewers. -RC |
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We just launched our new site and currently in the updating process as well. I just sent you a pm to see if we can work some business to business stuff. |
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Do we have any numbers on the weight saving with the alum gears over the AM ones? For say a SS or TB.
A pound or two would be very nice. |
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In 2007 we saved roughly two pounds per transmission over the use of steel gears. We also used delrin sideplates, piston mounts, and shift shaft-piston bearing blocks so the savings due to aluminum are probably a little less. |
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How well did the delrin sideplates work out?
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All gears will be the same dimensions as a "standard" FRC style gear. We have used AM's 50T aluminum gear in the past with .003 spacing with Zero issues. We've also done some steel/aluminum gearboxes with .002/.001/.000 spacing. All of the above have worked pretty well. Some older posts about gear spacing: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=11 http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=21 http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=11 The recommended .003 should work great for FRC uses. -RC |
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Here is an other example of a recommended 0.003" gear clearance:
My ancient Atlas 618 lathe uses changeable gears to set the ratio between the spindle and the lead screw, allowing one to cut several different pitch threads. The owner's manual (from the 1940s) explains that we should use a piece of paper as a clearance gauge between the gears when setting their position: Put the paper where the gears mesh and tighten, then pull the paper out, resulting in correct clearance. |
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Did this die on the vine?
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Not dead at all...
I'll let RC answer further but theyre on the way |
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I apologize for the delay, But it did not die. On the thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99327 I mentioned everything but gears will be available today and gears will be available next week. I am receiving about 1200/2000+ gears today or tomorrow sometime and teams can start placing order for gears next week. I wanted to wait till I had the gears in stock, quality checked and made sure I wasn't sending out *garbage* to teams. I will have Colson hubs available to order today along with bearings/chain. I know my team: 1323 along with a few other teams are waiting for these. Site Link: http://wcproducts.net/ -RC |
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Saw a pic of the Colson hubs....look pretty baller.
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Any update? Looking to purchase some 56 Tooth: 1/2" Hex - .400 Width Gears. When will they be available?
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Working on it. Got everything in but the gears at the moment, stuff is up for purchase: http://wcproducts.net/ Below is the facebook link, as I've started to get the gears in and sending out for Ano to Indiana (Nituff). AndyMark should have some of the gears for sale soon as well. https://www.facebook.com/pages/WestC...54930131245194 Timeline as of now: -Everything but gears are up for order. -Gears: around 4-5 sizes this upcoming Monday/Tuesday. Rest of the gears or so end of week 3/beginning of week 4. I do apologize for the delay, its just taken a while due to the holidays and some parts that I had to reject due to mistakes by the supplier. -RC |
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If we were to order gears as soon as they were available, when could we expect them to arrive? I guess specifically, do you mean that you would be ready to ship at the dates mentioned? Or just take orders? A shifting drivetrain is looking like a distinct possibility this year, and we might look at using these gears if they are available.
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The first batch is actually on its way to Indiana, should be available to purchase 4-5 business days from now. AM/WCP should have some gears up for sale. The common 35T/48T shifting stage will be available. The next batch has all the large sizes. Which I am calling today sometime to finalize dates/times. Which is what I mentioned to David above, Week 3 late or super early week 4. The last batch are all the small gears which the hobber/shaper is going to have done within a day/2 day turnaround after receiving them. I don't take orders ahead of time because a) I don't have the item in stock/can't promise something I don't have yet. b) Once they become available, I can ship them out the same day atm. If there is a ratio you are interested in, please send me an email. I have been keeping track of all the possible gears customers have asked me for. Ready to ship out the same day I have stock. Quote:
Thanks! -RC |
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