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jsmyth 09-01-2012 20:22

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
the bridge is made out of polycarbonate, the rubber on the mecanum wheels will most likely cause more friction on this surface. sense these wheels rely on a lack of some friction for forward movment, will this increase in friction cause your robots from moving across the bridge or possibly slow you down.

Ether 09-01-2012 20:25

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsmyth (Post 1101042)
sense these wheels rely on a lack of some friction for forward movment

This is a common misunderstanding. They do not rely on a lack of friction. See Post #12 earlier in this thread.

For more detailed explanation, there's lots of info here.




zaphodp.jensen 10-01-2012 18:14

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
So can an experienced team with mecanum wheels on a bot test drive a bot over a mock up bridge with Polycarb, and on the HDPE key, and post the results?

Djur 10-01-2012 20:26

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
Team 2084 just tested out 120-lb robot from last year on a full-scale, functional bridge a mentor made for us. We could barely crabwalk (move laterally) up it, but the robot is really imbalanced, so that's not as large of an issue. The bridge was also surfaced with fiberboard, which at after a rough test we determined to have about 1/3 the CoF as HPDE like Lexan.

We'll also be getting a 48"x88" HDPE board soon, so we'll resurface the ramp and run the test again, but I can conclude that mecaums won't have too much trouble on the bridge.

maxwellt 10-01-2012 22:31

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
my team tested if mechcanum wheels could drive on the ramps which is made from white board material and all the wheels did was slide off of the white board so which means Mechcanum wheels will have no traction what so ever on the ramps, so they are not the way to go for the ramps

::rtm::

372 lives on 10-01-2012 23:43

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Djur (Post 1101994)
Team 2084 just tested out 120-lb robot from last year on a full-scale, functional bridge a mentor made for us. We could barely crabwalk (move laterally) up it, but the robot is really imbalanced, so that's not as large of an issue. The bridge was also surfaced with fiberboard, which at after a rough test we determined to have about 1/3 the CoF as HPDE like Lexan.

We'll also be getting a 48"x88" HDPE board soon, so we'll resurface the ramp and run the test again, but I can conclude that mecaums won't have too much trouble on the bridge.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxwellt (Post 1102134)
my team tested if mechcanum wheels could drive on the ramps which is made from white board material and all the wheels did was slide off of the white board so which means Mechcanum wheels will have no traction what so ever on the ramps, so they are not the way to go for the ramps

::rtm::

could you two or other teams possible post a video so we can see. we do not have the resources to build a ramp quickly and need to see what it looks like.

Djur 11-01-2012 00:15

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 372 lives on (Post 1102215)
could you two or other teams possible post a video so we can see. we do not have the resources to build a ramp quickly and need to see what it looks like.

Delivered.

The material is a fiberboard with ~3x less friction than HDPE. To be more accurate, we're getting a piece of Lexan to replace the fiberboard and test mecanums that way.

ThirteenOfTwo 11-01-2012 00:45

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
We tested our old mecanum drive on the bridge after covering it with 2009's Regolith material (which, based on cursory testing, is slightly slipperier than the Lexan that will actually be on top of the bridge). The mecanum wheels move across it perfectly well, even from a standing start, although balancing with two mecanum robots was a little tricky and took about fifteen scary seconds.

I'm not terribly worried about the HDPE; people condemned mecanums over the bump in the field last year and that didn't mean anything. We'll try running some tests, but I'm fully confident that suspensions are not necessary to handle HDPE.

Stimpy1901 11-01-2012 02:49

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
Our main mentor prototyped a mecanum base over the summer, so we were seriously thinking about using them this year. Due to all the concern, we obviously needed test them on the bridge with the polycarbonate.

Here is a video of three runs (and not a real driver controlling robot--just some old guy). You now have some evidence to ponder!

zaphodp.jensen 11-01-2012 08:43

Re: Bridges and Mecanum Wheels
 
From what I can tell from your video (Thanks by the way!), you seemed to have enough traction on the polycarb to climb, but what about being pushed? If you were to have a pushing contest on the bridge, would you slide? I am worried about the traction if when balancing, and we get pushed a little too far, and fall off the other side...

As a sidenote, your motors were direct drive nanoboxes? And those were backdriving as you slide down the ramp?


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