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Vermeulen 08-01-2012 11:41

Re: Bumper zone height
 
R33 says:
Quote:

Bumpers must be supported by the structure/frame of the Robot (i.e. the gap between the backing material and the frame must not be greater than ¼ in. and no section of Bumper greater than 8 in. may be unsupported). See Figure 4‑7.
I would interpret this as saying that for a bumper to be supported, the gap between the bumpers and the frame must be 1/4 in. or less. The right picture would then be OK because the bumper is supported over that length.

Kevin Sevcik 08-01-2012 11:44

Re: Bumper zone height
 
See here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=99458

Summary for your question: if the backing is within 1/4", the bumper is supported.

protoserge 08-01-2012 11:45

Re: Bumper zone height
 
[Edit: Internet is too fast]


As for the image, it's a non-scaled drawing so the notated dimensions are overruling to any perceived scale.

slijin 08-01-2012 11:47

Re: Bumper zone height
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke461
Did FIRST make a mistake/typo in this picture? The two gaps labeled 10 inches are clearly not of identical lengths ( i even measured to make sure ). I understand why the "not ok" on the left is not ok, but, given the current numbers, i do not understand why the "ok" on the right is ok.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermeulen (Post 1099340)
I would interpret this as saying that for a bumper to be supported, the gap between the bumpers and the frame must be 1/4 in. or less. The right picture would then be OK because the bumper is supported over that length.

Not really - that interpretation makes the 7"x7" intrusion illegal.

Although not phrased particularly well, what [R33] is really saying is that any intrusion into your bot cannot exceed both 1/4" of depth and 8" of width. In other words, it's an either/or thing - if you're exceeding 1/4" of depth, you can't exceed 8" of width and vice versa.

Duke461 08-01-2012 11:49

Re: Bumper zone height
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slijin (Post 1099348)
Not really - that interpretation makes the 7"x7" intrusion illegal.

Although not phrased particularly well, what [R33] is really saying is that any intrusion into your bot cannot exceed both 1/4" of depth and 8" of width. In other words, it's an either/or thing - if you're exceeding 1/4" of depth, you can't exceed 8" of width and vice versa.

Ok it all makes sense now :o

Al Skierkiewicz 08-01-2012 16:39

Re: Bumper zone height
 
Samuel is correct. If there is a gap behind your bumper structure due to bolt heads, welds, warped plywood, etc. that do not exceed 1/4" then the gap is legal. If you have an irregularity in your frame for any reason, that exceeds 1/4", the width of said gap may not exceed 8 inches. Any gap greater than 1/4" is interpreted as "unsupported".

R33 Bumpers must be supported by the structure/frame of the Robot (i.e. the gap between the backing material and the frame must not be greater than ¼ in. and no section of Bumper greater than 8 in. may be unsupported). See
Figure 4-7.

Please note that this allows certain drive train designs to have gaps in the frame for wheels while still providing support for bumpers that meets the above rule.
This rule is identical to last year.

GaryVoshol 08-01-2012 18:10

Re: Bumper zone height
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mdiradoorian (Post 1099096)
so bumper zone is within 2 to 10 in off the ground then and around exterior corners.

The Bumper Zone is a zone between 2 horizontal planes and extending outward forever. These 2 planes are 2 inches and 10 inches from the ground.

Ninja_Bait 08-01-2012 18:17

Re: Bumper zone height
 
The intent of R33 is to prevent bumpers from cracking under a hard impact. With the support restrictions, theoretically, the risk of your bumpers doing so is lessened. (Learned this in Hartford from an inspector.) Keep that in mind as you design bumpers.

Kusha 08-01-2012 19:15

Re: Bumper zone height
 
Off topic: Could you have a bumper start at the 10inch mark. IE the bumpers lowest point is at the 10" mark?

Ninja_Bait 08-01-2012 19:18

Re: Bumper zone height
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kusha (Post 1099847)
Off topic: Could you have a bumper start at the 10inch mark. IE the bumpers lowest point is at the 10" mark?

No. The ENTIRETY of the bumpers must be in the bumper zone.

SenorZ 08-01-2012 21:02

Re: Bumper zone height
 
I can see an issue when a high-bumper robot is going over the Barrier and a low-bumper robot approaches from the other side. There could be some serious overlapping issues and possible [G27] violation.


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