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cziggy343 09-01-2012 10:04

pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012
 

Nuttyman54 09-01-2012 10:09

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I'm confused as to how you got 30 balance points? Per rule G40, a balanced alliance bridge can score either 10, 20 or (in elims only) 40 points

EricLeifermann 09-01-2012 10:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 1100503)
I'm confused as to how you got 30 balance points? Per rule G40, a balanced alliance bridge can score either 10, 20 or (in elims only) 40 points

They got 20 for 2 robots on the blue bridge and 10 points robot on the middle bridge

Hallry 09-01-2012 10:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1100506)
They got 20 for 2 robots on the blue bridge and 10 points robot on the middle bridge

You can't get match points on the Coopertition bridge, G40 states that only Balanced Alliance Bridges score match points, and either 10, 20, or 40; not 30...

EricLeifermann 09-01-2012 10:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1100508)
You can't get match points on the Coopertition bridge, G40 states that only Balanced Alliance Bridges score match points, and either 10, 20, or 40; not 30...

I understand that but that is really the only way they could score 30 points, they obviously have to go in and fix their program.

I know its called the "coopertition" bridge but I'm still going to call it the middle bridge for 2 reasons.

1) Its faster to type middle than coopertition
2) outsiders think you don't know how to speak when you say "coopertition" because its not a real word to the vast majority of society. Also when you explain the game to someone and say "coopertition" bridge you are going to immediately follow that up with its the middle bridge because people are going to ask you which bridge that is or give you a blank look so you know they have no idea what you are talking about.

EricLeifermann 09-01-2012 11:28

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I am not on a team but want to be able to download the program. Why do you require me to be part of a team?

Chris is me 09-01-2012 11:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1100543)
I am not on a team but want to be able to download the program. Why do you require me to be part of a team?

Even as a team member I apparently need the Team Contact to authorize use of the game.

ratdude747 09-01-2012 12:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1100543)
I am not on a team but want to be able to download the program. Why do you require me to be part of a team?

because it is kinda like labview and autodesk... only there is no way for non-teams to buy it.

EricLeifermann 09-01-2012 12:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1100563)
because it is kinda like labview and autodesk... only there is no way for non-teams to buy it.

If you look at my signature you'll understand why I'm not officially on a team. I'm more of a free consultant, working through FIRST, for any team in DC.

arizonafoxx 09-01-2012 12:08

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Where on usfirst.org did you find the game simulator? I would love to start messing around with it. Can you please provide a link

NM. I see the link at the end of the fist post now. Didn't realize it was for this simulator at first

ehochstein 09-01-2012 12:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1100555)
Even as a team member I apparently need the Team Contact to authorize use of the game.

It should work for the team's alternate contact as well. I was able to download and play it as the alternate contact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann
I am not on a team but want to be able to download the program. Why do you require me to be part of a team?

If you check out the Catalyst question thread they have a rep. there that says due to some legal issues they can only release one copy.

DavidGitz 09-01-2012 14:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1100563)
because it is kinda like labview and autodesk... only there is no way for non-teams to buy it.

Just to clarify, as far as I know there is no technical requirement Labview or Autodesk products that you are affiliated with a FIRST or FRC Team. I'm sure there are legal issues to an extent but nothing in the software itself prevents anyone from using it.

Curtis Todd 09-01-2012 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiifi (Post 1100582)
It should work for the team's alternate contact as well. I was able to download and play it as the alternate contact.

The only information we check against TIMS is the team number, city, and state. The other information (first name, last name, email, etc) is just for our book keeping in case we need to contact them for some reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry
You can't get match points on the Coopertition bridge, G40 states that only Balanced Alliance Bridges score match points, and either 10, 20, or 40; not 30...

Thanks for correcting us on this. We had some miscommunication on this rule with FIRST during the development of the game. You can expect for this to be fixed in a Catalyst update soon.

I am an employee of Diamond Bullet Studios.

mdiradoorian 09-01-2012 14:48

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That is amazing.

Duke461 09-01-2012 21:29

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As long as it's "legal", I am very willing to supply the username and password for Team 461 for everyone here to use.
Someone please let me know if this is legal or illegal before i proceed.

ratdude747 09-01-2012 21:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke461 (Post 1101112)
As long as it's "legal", I am very willing to supply the username and password for Team 461 for everyone here to use.
Someone please let me know if this is legal or illegal before i proceed.

only one person may login to an account at a time... so, unless you want to never have a chance to login, no.

EricLeifermann 09-01-2012 21:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Todd (Post 1100688)
The only information we check against TIMS is the team number, city, and state. The other information (first name, last name, email, etc) is just for our book keeping in case we need to contact them for some reason.

So from your phrasing teams can download this game many times as long as they used a different first name and email and all that stuff or is it limited to 1 per team?

Curtis Todd 09-01-2012 21:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1101124)
So from your phrasing teams can download this game many times as long as they used a different first name and email and all that stuff or is it limited to 1 per team?

Each team can only create one account even if they try to use different team member's name and email. Using that single account, teams can install the game on as many computers as they would like, but only one computer can log into the game at a time.

EricLeifermann 09-01-2012 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Todd (Post 1101143)
Each team can only create one account even if they try to use different team member's name and email. Using that single account, teams can install the game on as many computers as they would like, but only one computer can log into the game at a time.

ok thanks for the clarification!

Duke461 09-01-2012 22:05

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Curtis,
Were you a part of making this game?
If so, why did you mess with the whole login thing?
Thanks,
-Duke
Also, Eric, you do have the ability to play as a guest in the simulation so I don't think that part matters.
EDIT: To clarify, you only need the team login to download the .exe
After that, you can play as a guest.
Also, i don't understand why when doing a 1 v 1 on a keyboard, you can only have bots without roller or shooters. Kind of pointless if you ask me.

Curtis Todd 09-01-2012 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke461 (Post 1101164)
Curtis,
Were you a part of making this game?
If so, why did you mess with the whole login thing?
Thanks,
-Duke

Yes, I am the programmer for the game. The login system is our DRM for the software which is partially based on the way Steam and other PC games handle their DRM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke461 (Post 1101164)
Also, Eric, you do have the ability to play as a guest in the simulation so I don't think that part matters.
EDIT: To clarify, you only need the team login to download the .exe
After that, you can play as a guest.

This is not entirely true. Yes you can log in as a guest, but in order to get past the start screen, you must have logged in at least one registered team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke461 (Post 1101164)
Also, i don't understand why when doing a 1 v 1 on a keyboard, you can only have bots without roller or shooters. Kind of pointless if you ask me.

Thanks for letting us know. We will take this into consideration as we prepare for future editions.

conceptsingh 09-01-2012 23:24

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hey guys i tried downloading it and its a virus on my laptop......:ahh: :ahh:

Curtis Todd 09-01-2012 23:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by conceptsingh (Post 1101281)
hey guys i tried downloading it and its a virus on my laptop......:ahh: :ahh:

The game is not a virus. Several people have stated that Norton sees the setup file as a threat and very few have said that Norton sees the actual game as a threat. However, I assure you there is nothing at all to worry about with the game. We are working on a more convenient way for teams to download and install the game without Norton thinking that it is a suspicious file.

Andrew Lawrence 09-01-2012 23:54

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Will it ever be Mac-friendly?

Alan Anderson 10-01-2012 09:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Todd (Post 1101256)
The login system is our DRM for the software...

You didn't answer the question: Why? Why must one log on in order to play? What reason is there to prevent a team from running multiple instances? How can the simulator be played without requiring an unrestricted connection to the Internet?

soxfan269 10-01-2012 09:37

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Curtis, will there ever be an update that eliminates these one per computer at a time restrictions?

soxfan269 10-01-2012 13:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Todd (Post 1101143)
Each team can only create one account even if they try to use different team member's name and email. Using that single account, teams can install the game on as many computers as they would like, but only one computer can log into the game at a time.


Will there ever be the capability for multiple computers to play at once. It would be nice because then everyone on our team good go home and test with it and then report their findings without having to wait for each person to get off.

Molten 10-01-2012 14:36

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If each team can only use one computer at a time, how could a team play an actual game where all 6 bots are being controlled by a person? I might be missing it, but wouldn't that be the goal of such a program? Perhaps all 6 people have to share 1 keyboard somehow?

Jason

Chris is me 10-01-2012 14:39

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If your goal is to get more FRC students interested in your software, DRM is only going to hurt you.

hdastwb 11-01-2012 23:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1101309)
Will it ever be Mac-friendly?

Considering it's written around the XNA framework and links as an appref, I doubt they could get it to work on any non-µ$oft machine without entirely re-writing it. It is written with Visual C#, correct?

ratdude747 12-01-2012 00:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1101643)
If your goal is to get more FRC students interested in your software, DRM is only going to hurt you.

and you wonder why linux is my main OS (minus labview use)... oh well, maybe team titanium might make another simulator that is free...

Flimsor 12-01-2012 01:04

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This is impressive. I myself got 103 with one robot alone. Unfortunately this is simulated, so I think that the scores will probably only be 200 max, but it still gives us a good idea of how high the scores are going to be.

I'm wondering if there's a way to get the game to think a joystick is an xbox controller so we could use that. Just for early driver practice. I know you could run it through a controller emulator, but I can't find one that works with the game.


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