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This maybe more of a clarification question for the Q&A forums but I'm hoping I missed something and someone in the CD community can clarify for me because the way this rule goes changes a lot. |
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The way I interpret it, "contain" does not include a ball sitting on the ground touching the bumper. But I may be proven wrong.
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It means that you can have 2 basketballs, but if you or anyone else chooses not to, those balls will be placed on the coopertition bridge. It's an option.
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For an example: "Contain" may be like 2009 where the balls started inside your robot but never on the field, just touching the robot. "Used" may be like 2011 where the ubertubes just had to touch the robot bumpers, even though the robot could also hold a tube. Because G01 uses the word "may", that implies that we don't have to "contain" the balls to count them as "used" (and therefore not destined for the coopertition bridge) as in G05. |
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I throw a soda can on the ground, and it ends up touching a trash pail. Does that trash pail contain that soda can?
No, of course not. Now replace "soda can" with "ball" and "Trash pail" with "robot". Any different? This is what the GDC means when they plead that you do not "lawyer" the rules. |
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While I don't have the number, "contain" versus, "is touching" has already been covered in the rules. The intent is that you must be in some way attempting to control where the balls are. If they are just set on your robot, I don't think it will count. Ask the GDC.
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I think "control" is the key. If the ball can be shot without moving the bot (or extending out to get the ball), then it is contained. One example is: Let's say you have catapult, and when the ball is seated, the ball overhangs the frame by 2". I think the ball is functionally contained by your bot.
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Guys, if you are influencing where it goes with your 'bot, and your 'bot is preventing other 'bots from accessing those balls, you are, in some way, containing it.
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Game animation shows bulldozer bot with 2 balls placed atop the robot but not actively controlled, at start of match. Recognizing that animation does not necessarily translate into the rules of the game, it does seem to indicate that box on wheels bots could have the balls at the start of the match in order to avoid having them placed on the coopertition bridge. just my .02...
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I think Tristan's hit it. "Contain" could reasonably be construed to mean "completely enclosed container", "partially enclosed container, entirely within the frame perimeter", "partially enclosed container, partially within the frame perimeter", "no container necessary, but entirely within the frame perimeter", "no container necessary, but fully supported by the robot", and number of other things. Are these balls "contained" within our Lunacy robot? Is this trackball? What about this one? Apologies to the teams I randomly Googled. Cool robots. |
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Hang on - the word "contain" is not really in question here, it's the word "used" in G05. Obviously "contain" is like holding a ball in your hopper. But is "used" limited to "containing" or is it all the actions in "active control"? That's what I was trying to say in my earlier post; hopefully this clarifies that.
We will be asking the GDC this one. |
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I believe in G05, "not used" refers to balls that are unclaimed because the robot is MIA or DOA. I suppose a team could voluntarily not use a ball, but I'm not sure why. I believe in G01, contain implies the ball is within the frame perimeter. But I think a ball could still be used by placing it on the ground touching the robot. Presumably you would do so to let your alliance partner pick it up to score. So G01 permits you to preload your two balls, but does not require it. |
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