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SenorZ 11-01-2012 15:04

Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
A couple of ideas are rolling around in my head (yes, just a couple) about getting over the barrier.

The easiest seems to be a lift kit... but they're out of stock. Would a short section of KOP c-channel (~4") bolted below the chassis be strong enough to hold the wheels? It would raise the chassis from 3 3/8" clearance to 4 5/8" using 2011 8" wheels, plenty to go over the barrier. A skid plate of some sort might still be need to pop the wheel up a bit on approach.

We can't test it, and see if it works, but I'd like to hear some veteran opinions on the matter.

Ninja_Bait 11-01-2012 15:07

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Bend your own?

SenorZ 11-01-2012 15:09

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Our experience bending metal last year was miserable. I figured that since the c-channel already has consistent hole placement, and profile, it would make for a good quick replacement.

Elgin Clock 11-01-2012 22:25

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Since the lift kit is out of stock as you say, reach out to other teams in your area. I'm sure some older teams have some left over from previous years & would be happy to donate/trade them.

Joe Johnson 11-01-2012 22:32

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorZ (Post 1102711)
A couple of ideas are rolling around in my head (yes, just a couple) about getting over the barrier.

The easiest seems to be a lift kit... but they're out of stock. Would a short section of KOP c-channel (~4") bolted below the chassis be strong enough to hold the wheels? It would raise the chassis from 3 3/8" clearance to 4 5/8", plenty to go over the barrier. A skid plate of some sort might still be need to pop the wheel up a bit on approach.

We can't test it, and see if it works, but I'd like to hear some veteran opinions on the matter.

Like this

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........==O==..................................... ........... ==O==

= is the frame
X is the normal axle position
O is the new axle position?
. is just something I had to put in to make my ascii art work.

I think that this would be just fine.

Good idea.

Joe J.

DonRotolo 11-01-2012 22:45

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorZ (Post 1102717)
Our experience bending metal last year was miserable.

6061-T6 is not meant to be bent, and it will want to crack. Try 5052-H32 instead, it bends beautifully (but machines poorly)

Jeffy 11-01-2012 22:47

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorZ (Post 1102711)
It would raise the chassis from 3 3/8" clearance to 4 5/8", plenty to go over the barrier. A skid plate of some sort might still be need to pop the wheel up a bit on approach.

I'm confused as to where you are getting the numbers for this. Is this with 8 inch wheels (instead of the KoP 6")?

We were hoping to give the robot a "lift kit" to get over the bump as well.

SenorZ 11-01-2012 23:14

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Sorry for not putting that originally. Yes the 8" wheels

Joe G. 11-01-2012 23:19

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Has anyone considered using Tri star wheels for this purpose?

daniel_dsouza 11-01-2012 23:46

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Our team is repurposing some older Kit bot C-channel frames to do exactly as you propose.:)

blackrocks0 13-01-2012 00:08

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe G. (Post 1103195)

No offense to your idea, but those wheels look insanely heavy.

Marc S. 13-01-2012 01:12

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackrocks0 (Post 1104146)
No offense to your idea, but those wheels look insanely heavy.

If built right(meaning not overly big) they could easily weigh less than half of a 10" mecanum. They worked in 2004(340 & 1218).

Tristan Lall 13-01-2012 01:29

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc S. (Post 1104194)
If built right(meaning not overly big) they could easily weigh less than half of a 10" mecanum. They worked in 2004(340 & 1218).

296 also used them one year.

(And yes, they have indeed been considered.)

Guderian1511 13-01-2012 10:44

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
1511 is currently doing this with 8" AndyMark pneumatics, at least for our mock/proto chassis. I believe we figured that you would need additional spacers in-between the two c-channel segments, in order to fit hardware for the frame like screw heads over the barrier. We're currently shooting for 3/4 to 1" of clearance.

How much do the standard wheels wear down? That could possibly affect your spacing.

Starke 13-01-2012 10:46

Re: Chassis Lift alternative, getting over barrier
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe G. (Post 1103195)

We did in 2004. Check out the link below!

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/17077


Matt


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