Lots of good stuff here, thanks. It's really hard to see how the HP for 118 throws their tubes, so what style of throw do you guys use? For us, our HP extends his arm upwards so that it clears the top of the AS, and throws it. He can get it 3/4 + of the way across the field, but that throwing style is awkward. Do you think that 118 can get the distance they can (including scoring a tube) because of how they throw, or because of the spin/force/whatever.