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Originally Posted by sanddrag
This is my 10th year in FRC, and perhaps I'm just no good at this, but I find this whole thing very confusing. I bet I'm not the only one...
Would anyone care to provide a simpler plainer version of what exactly the issue was, what they did to fix it, and what the new issue is now?
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For this example we have 3 bots: RA, BA, BB (A of the Red Alliance, A and B of Blue alliance, respectively)
RA is the defense bot for the Red Alliance and is on the caution line in front of the Blue Zone.
BA is in the Blue Zone, placing a tube.
BB pushes RA into the Blue Zone and directly into BA.
This triggers some rules violations:
1. A G32 violation assigned to RA. Since it touched another Robot it gets a Red Card and G32 isn't subject to G61
2. A G32 strategy aimed at the fact that G61 doesn't apply goes to BB. Yellow Card and Penalty
BEFORE UPDATE 16:
IF you're in a Qual: RA gets a Red Card, BB gets a yellow. This may be important in the final match of qualifications.
IF you're in an Elim: Red Alliance is DQed, BB gets a yellow (and remember Yellow + Yellow = Red).
GDC doesn't want that so:
AFTER UPDATE 16:
If you try and pull this off in an elimination as a strategy BB gets a Red Card.
Then the GDC went and added that order of Red Cards matter (a new rule, not anywhere in the rule book) and that an Egregious Behavior Red Card (the equivalent of a double yellow) that would normally not be issued until match end now is an immediate action that happens as soon the strategy is taken.
End of Description, now for a slight editorialization:
This is a very inelegant solution. The better solution (IMO) is to change the violation for G32 violation to read as follows:
Violation: PENALTY. G61 does not apply to this rule, however strategies aimed at taking advantage of this exception will result in a PENALTY plus a YELLOW CARD. If a ROBOT enters the opponent's ZONE and does not leave within 10 seconds OR if it contacts another ROBOT (or GAME PIECE in its POSSESSION) also in the ZONE, then the intruding TEAM will receive four (4) additional PENALTIES.
This would put it on that same level of timing as Pining but without quite as much penalty (because of the fact that it ignores G61).
-Joe Kavanagh
Of course the whole problem could be removed if you delete "G61 does not apply to this rule" but that ship has sailed.