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Originally Posted by Tristan Lall
The definition of triggered includes "the act of pushing the bottom disk of the TARGET" as a necessary condition. <G20-B> sees to it that only the minibot does the pushing.
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Well, if we're getting to that level of lawyering the rules, there's no official definition for PUSH in the rules. There's clearly a force being applied to the bottom disk in order to TRIGGER the sensors on the TOWER. In 7th grade I learned that a force was a PUSH or a PULL. So, by that logic, shoving the bottom of the tower should count.
Or we can use commons sense...
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy
It sure would be nice if we new all the specifics of the towers, but as it stands, there is a rule that says it is triggered when the sensor trips, and not before then. Sure, the towers may have some degree of unreliability, but if the rules are built that way (and this team update suggests FIRST is standing by their towers), then we all have to play the game they designed, whether we like it or not.
I remember a rule in 2008 that caused large amounts of penalties and was seemingly overdone, but it was a rule, and we all followed it.
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The difference in 2008 is that FIRST told us what the lines would be made out of, where they would be located, and how that rule would be officiated from week one. The lines never changed nor malfunctioned during the season. Any penalties incurred because of them was the result of the actions of the teams on the field, not because of mystery forces created by field elements that were never fully explained to teams.
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Originally Posted by lineskier
I would pick 148 or 1114 with no minibot over the fastest minibot any day.
Both robots put up over an average of 33 pts per match (only robots, excluding minibots)
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You're missing his point. BOTH alliances will have robots like 148 and 1114. While the points scored by 1114 could offset a minibot if the opponent isn't scoring tubes, it's not going to offset the scoring from 148 AND 148's minibot.
There's a definite potential for the tube scores for both alliances to be both incredibly high, and incredibly close. That's where minibots are going to decide matches. It's not going to be a case where those 50 points alone are going to overcome the opponents scoring, but those 25 extra points from getting 1st and 2nd in the minibot race would easily offset the 2 extra tubes the opponent scored more than your alliance did.