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Originally Posted by XaulZan11
Or maybe teams actually watched matches instead of relying on final scores and fancy formulas to rank teams...
I know I may be sounding like a jerk, but as someone who works on the picking list for my team, I would be pretty upset if I worked hard and scouted every match only to be second guessed by someone who likely didn't see any matches. OPR, ETC and various metrics are nice, but there is NO SUBSTITUTE for actually watching matches and seeing how good teams are.
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No no, once again, of course this is the case. Where I can't watch the matches, I was trying to gain insights from the #s. I am trying to make statements, to see people prove me wrong
. I can never improve without being corrected. These insights are phenomenal
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Originally Posted by Joe Ross
Maybe EMC isn't as good of indicator as OPR.
67 - 64.1978
2054 - 58.5124
2767 - 23.3331
Maybe 2767 didn't really have the second best minibot at the regional, but rather was the luckiest because they always had a 2nd minibot on their alliances. 16.67 is the maximum minibot score (50/3). However, to get that you need help from your alliance partners. If you had the absolute fastest minibot, but never had a 2nd minibot from your partners, you would get 10. As others said, only watching the matches lets you know the full story.
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Thanks for these insights, and for the record overall I had 2767 ranked very low too. with an ETC of 19 compared to 2054s 43.
I am working on a new way of trying to calculate EMCs by actually trying to estimate which robots put minibots up, and how much they would be worth. So if you put up first and second you both get 25 points. as opposed to 16.
You are absolutely right that EMC can be very much swayed by luck. but that is why I picked 2767, I wanted to see what you guys had to say.
Maybe I would have been better off saying 2767 had a very reliably minibot, to some teams this is more valuable than the fastest.
Regarding reliability how did 2767's minibot compare to 67, 74 , 1918.
these are the 3 teams ERCs
67 - 20
2054 - 25
2767 - 3
again please disprove these claims but:
2054 and 67 had the 2 best robots or most reliable robots
1918 was very good or very reliable
74 was good and reliable
now these statements may be wrong, I'm looking for insights on them