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Re: 2011 Minnesota North Star Regional

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Originally Posted by ajbergal View Post
what we do care about is FRC's lack of responsibility not just at this regional but throughout the entire competition this year. with many field scoring problems and a lot resting on the shoulders of the refs. there are some HUGE FLAWS this year that frc seems to be blatantly avoiding: robot communication being lost, inconsistent rulings of penalties and red cards, and i think the biggest of them all, the mini-bot scoring system. as for the last couple of finals matches we thought they took the easy way out and didn't re-play the matches, they did it at our first regional, why not here? when there is that much riding on a single match there should be no uncertainty with anything and the refs should take there job seriously. i think if any other team that would have been in our shoes would have challenged the matches. we felt the matches we being played more like battle bots and not like a civilized and professional FRC match.
I can tell you the second match results, the decision not to replay did not come from the regional - a call was placed to FIRST headquarters, and the result was "a red card DQ means that alliance lost the match". Being able to see all the field management system and all the information it has available, I find it hard to believe there were robot communication issues that they were not aware of. The FMS gives them very easy to read information about the comms and battery voltage... It even goes so far as to display the number of dropped packets between each robot!

For this comment about battle bots... I suggest you re-read section 3.1.9 - Robot-Robot Interaction. There are no rules against playing a physical game, so long as contact remains in the bumper zone and no attempt is made to damage robots. While I may not be impartial, everything I saw on the field those last few games was simply a very defensive match which included some hard hits - that's to be expected. There is nothing in the rules this year like G37 form 2008 (Overdrive):
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a. High speed accidental collisions are likely to occur during the MATCH, and are an expected part of the game. However, high-speed intentional ramming is not acceptable and will be penalized.
There is no rule about that this year. It's expected that there will be physical games... and at times our team had to handle someone playing a physical defense against us.