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Re: 2011 Minnesota North Star Regional

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Originally Posted by mott View Post
Aaron,
However, at 3:53 of the video, it appears obvious that the Blue Alliance is called for a G23 by the midfield official on the left side of the screen. He waves his flag and points right at the robot in contact with the Red Alliance tower during the End Game. You really need to start watching the video earlier than the 3:30 mark to see that machine drive into the tower (during a time when it isn't illegal) but then, once the End Game begins, the G23 is called.

Here's the interesting thing...Refresh yourself with the G23 rule:

<G23> Contact (via ROBOT or GAME PIECE) with the opposing ALLIANCE‟S TOWERS is prohibited. Violation: PENALTY plus RED CARD

The above (pasted from the 2011 rule book) seems to indicate that a G23 should have resulted in a Red Card in addition to the Penalty. No Red Card was issued or we know what that would have meant in the Elimination Round.

Maybe having access to all this video isn't such a good thing after all...
The ref clearly waved the flag on the near side, then you can see the head
ref come over and look at what was happening. He can over rule the other ref if he does not agree. The head ref and the end ref discuss what should be called. I trust the refs and would take what ever the ruling would of been.

Looking at match 3 on the youtube from 1730, you can see 3278 come in and hit the tower early. It had enough force to make it jump back. It never moved after that. The ref in the center nearest the camera had a good look at what was going on, and if there was a penalty he would of called it. The other side you can see 2549 moving over to pick up the tube. They push the tubes into 1730 prior to the endgame and then 2549 backs up. While 2549 was backing up, 1730 moves forward to get their minibot attached. 2549 then picks up the tube and tries to move into position. So if 1730 moves the tube into 2549, no penalty is enforced; G61.