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Re: Losing on Purpose to Gain Advantage

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Originally Posted by pfreivald View Post
To quantify a thing is to destroy a thing?

Such an entertaining notion in an engineering competition.

Yeah, I understand that you can't make a comprehensive all-things-GP rubric, and I understand that dissecting a butterfly might teach you how it works, but it ruins the beauty...

But I don't buy the argument that GP is immune to definition or guidelines -- because if it is, it is completely subjective and thus meaningless.
In this case, yes.
The difference between GP and rules is that one is defined and one isn't. Certainly, playing by the rules is usually an aspect most people embrace when acting in a gracious and professional manner.

If FIRST wanted GP to be another defined metric, they'd just write rules governing how to act GP at a competition and through the season. But they don't because that's not the point of gracious professionalism. The point is to cover all the scenarios that are impossible to fathom ahead of time. As Woodie says, GP is acting like your grandmother is watching you all the time. It's about making the choice that would make your grandmother proud, regardless of whether there is a rule or not.
It's not about doing X in situation Y. GP isn't black and white. It's not a metric to evaluate someone's behavior.

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A. No it isn't.
B. No it isn't. It's openly accepted by some people =/= it's acceptable.
I know the rest of my post was no longer directly quoting you, but it certainly applied to your statements just as much as anyone's. Yet, you didn't give your reactions to that part. That's what I was most curious about.

So, if playing to win the match is something you do 100% of the time with 100% effort, you think that teams that showcase certain aspects of their robot are wrong?
What about the struggling team that attempts to score a game piece just to see their robot "work" once on the field?
Is the team who's presented with an opportunity to employ a "dirty" tactic (say, flipping another robot) to win a match and doesn't take that opportunity wrong?
And the team that refuses to use the "guaranteed red card" tactic to win a match?

I think there's a line where there are other motives can be placed above adding a W to your record. If you said all of those teams are wrong, we've likely reached an impasse. But, minimally, it does show that the statement you preached as irrefutable fact is not that, but a matter of opinion.
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