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<Guest 38> 2607
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<Meredith16> They will be competing with 16 and 148 at Dallas East!
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<IndySam> can hear Jack
<SuperNerd256> We're driving around, picking up balls, shooting points, and balancing on the bridge! All with separate robot parts in different areas around our shop
<grimtuesday> haha
<Guest 38> thats ok
<Guest 38> Just set them up on the field at there correct places!
<SuperNerd256> lol.
<Guest 38> but that frame rule
<Guest 38> hmmm...
<SuperNerd256> We're putting it all together Tuesday, so it'll be good
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<Guest 16> is it too late to call in?
<SuperNerd256> Probably not. I may do so later on.
<stevend223> i might call in as well
<Guest 38> not me
<SuperNerd256> EVERYONE CALL IN! (No, not really. That would be disasterous)
<Guest 38> Im watching the superbowl right now
<stevend223> let's get EVERYONE in FIRST to
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<SuperNerd256> Challenge Accepted
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<Guest 20> Simon, we're always overweight but I think this year will be less bad than last year
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<SuperNerd256> We're about 90 pounds, leaving us with 30 pounds for a bridge manipulator. Hmmm....
<Bryan33> We also use a huge robot sized scale
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<msimon785> We have an academic physics scale
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<Guest 38> what is the oppinion on solidworks vs inventor
<Guest 38> ?
<msimon785> Our Inventor weight was 22.5 lb for chassis. Actual measurement was 15.4lb.
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<MarcS> Solidworks is the best for weight and just everything in general. I havent' spent nearly as much time on inventor as solidworks though.
<Guest 38> maybe they could talk about that
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<Guest 14> solidworks vs inventor?
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<Guest 38> correct
<Guest 38> could you bring it up?
<SuperNerd256> Whiteboard = BEST CAD
<stevend223> pssh google sketchup :p
<Guest 38> YEAHHHH
<Bryan33> CAD = Crayon Aided Design
<SuperNerd256> MS Paint.
<Guest 38> I only use print screen button
<msimon785> @SuperNerd256: No.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<MarcS> Solidworks sketch tool.
<Guest 38> I have to arrange applications to resemble a robot
<IndySam> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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<Guest 34> G21
<MarcS> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=102068
<Guest 34> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1119300
<IndySam> Please talk about 179's bot
<schreiaj> Indy, we will
<IndySam> cool
<msimon785> Yes
<msimon785> 1515 is redoing the Touch Screen OI
<msimon785> It's 46"x12.5"
<SuperNerd256> Our 2012 Driver Station fits in our yellow Platt briefcase
<MarcS> Pc2- smallest computer ever.
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<Bryan33> We use an aluminum briefcase.
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<stevend223> simplification of rules=need for a better q&a system
<Meredith16> I just hope they are not waiting to refine the game after week 1 :(
<SuperNerd256> Same
<SuperNerd256> However if there are any changes, they will happen after week one.
<stevend223> a lot of Q
<stevend223> not much A
<Guest 34> The Q&A basically banned wheels on appendages
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<stevend223> "If multiple items exit the Frame Perimeter and are not contiguous outside the Frame Perimeter, they are considered multiple appendages."
<Guest 40> I don't see how that bans wheels
<stevend223> we were considering putting wheels on our appendage
<stevend223> "Recent G21 rulings may make any wheel,gear,roller,etc on an appendage illegal. There will ALWAYS be a moment between when the wheel edge and the cent
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<Guest 34> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1119422&postcount=85
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<Guest 38> 8" on each side of each vertex
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<SuperNerd256> 179
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<SuperNerd256> I seriously see that as winning Einstein. Or at least getting on Einstain
<jeremypg399> gah. calls keep getting dropped...
<schreiaj> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101676
<MarcS> 111 world finalist with 254 in 2001.
<SuperNerd256> yup
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<Guest 38> I concer
<Guest 38> uggg call
<Guest 38> did I loose it our u guys too?
<Guest 40> that assumes they weigh 120
<Guest 38> so just mee
<SuperNerd256> They can shoot
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<MarcS> If thats considered grappling then EVERY robot on the bridge is grappling.
<SuperNerd256> They're ALL illegal!
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<SuperNerd256> haha....ball game
<MarcS> i can't hear anything... Is this just me?
<Guest 14> -.-
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<Guest 34> 0 to be exact
<Guest 40> talkshoe does that sometimes, reload the cast and your sound will come back
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<SuperNerd256> Who thinks we're going to see 3 long robots balance, and how often>?
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<novatose> not very often in my opinion,but i think it will happen
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<IndySam> they also may change the bonus points awarded
<SuperNerd256> They didn't change minibots last year, and that was clearly unfair at times.
<MarcS> Central valley, 3 ballancing on both sides in the finals, calling it right now.
<novatose> marc,is that successful balancing? Or attempted?
<SuperNerd256> I like it Marc! 256 is going wide this year. I think we can give you an offer you can't refuse... :D lol
<Guest 49> bottom row points was a very nice rule change
<SuperNerd256> And we're attending CVR
<Guest 49> much better balance
<Guest 49> You could make a 12 point set of tubes versus 6
<Guest 49> 3
<MarcS> That was haunting, einstien 2011, and no we are champions song afterwards.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Bryan33> 10 balls ish
<novatose> about 7-8
<SuperNerd256> It depends how good their opponents score, how well human players can feed, and how good teams can collect balls from their opponent's alley.
<Bryan33> 5-6 would be pretty bad guys.
<stevend223> giants win 21-17 for those who are interested
<IndySam> we won't miss :)
<SuperNerd256> Neither will we Indy. ;)
<Guest 49> top tier hitting 12 shots seems reasonable
<schreiaj> Bryan, have you seen the averages from previous years?
<SuperNerd256> What does everyone think will be the score/miss ratio for balls shot?
<novatose> 1/4
<Guest 49> 90% probably around 4-6 shots made during teleop
<IndySam> I'll tell you after ref training
<MarcS> 1 out of every 4 shots goes in, average.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Guest 40> if you shoot from the back of the key and someone is blocking you, you're not going to make it anyway
<SuperNerd256> Why one out of 4?
<Guest 40> you're trajectory would almost certainly be too low
<MarcS> hard target to hit, have you ever played basketball?
<SuperNerd256> Yes.
<Meredith16> I think 1 of 10 in qualifications.
<novatose> Also,are we all basing our score/miss on the top basket?
<SuperNerd256> That all depends from how far you shoot from.
<SuperNerd256> I'm basing ours on the middle basket.
<Guest 49> very few 0 vs 0 this year
<SuperNerd256> How much defense will you think will be preformed in front of the fender?
<Meredith16> There were 0, 1, 2..point matches in 2010 and you could PUSH the balls in...
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<SuperNerd256> That's what we're doing.
<IndySam> we can dump on the middle but we won't miss from the key :)
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<schreiaj> Meredith, we made it to the finals by pushing balls in (This is Dustin on Andrew's account)
<SuperNerd256> We're going to be like 254 from 2006. Run up to the scoring area, unload all of our balls, and get out of there ASAP.
<Bryan33> Anyways, what I was refering to was dumping in the 2 point goal.
<Meredith16> 2006 and 2010, you could do well pushing. None of that this year!
<novatose> also,you had robots pushing,now we are all shooting on the same,small gall
<Meredith16> ^exactly
<Bryan33> I think there will be lots of teams that do that?
<novatose> dumping? probably not
<IndySam> opposite side
<Bryan33> No, point blank 3 point shooting.
<SuperNerd256> It could be. Depending on which side we pick up from.
<IndySam> no spinning wheels here
<SuperNerd256> Wow. What are you, some kind of wizard???
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<schreiaj> Indy, Catapult?
<MarcS> No wheels.
<jsneer> brb
<Guest 34> That sounds unlikely ;)
<stevend223> did you post that on chief, whoever's talking now?
<stevend223> i remember seeing something like that i think
<IndySam> not a catapult
<avanboekel> you should go over where everyone is in the build process... (unless you already have. I wasn't here for the first part of the cast)
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<IndySam> we call it a flinger
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<Guest 34> 2 CIMs will clear the field
<SuperNerd256> 4 CIMs???!!! *faints I'm keeping all CIMs on my drive
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<MarcS> Please everybody, don't use any sims in the shooter. Keep them all in drive.
<Bryan33> agreed
<SuperNerd256> I <3 my CIMs (I'm the drivetrain manager on 256)
<Guest 49> 118 gonna post soon?
<SuperNerd256> I miss 118's 3 week videos
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<IndySam> we will be keeping our secret
<Bryan33> We are planning on doing another video unveil before our week one district this year.
<Meredith16> Scott, haven't I seen yours?
<jeremypg399> We're looking into making an unveil video this year :)
<SuperNerd256> @Bryan33 Another?
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<IndySam> the bot yes, the shooter no.
<Meredith16> ahh.
<MarcS> No gauntnee but keep your eyes open for 973...
<Meredith16> I like your drive base lots.
<SuperNerd256> :D I'd love to see a 973 video
<Guest 49> plastic gears are wonderful,... when used right
<avanboekel> anyone know where we can get some fisherprices. Doesn't look like AM will have any in the near future.
<Guest 49> what kind of torque does your winch need?
<Meredith16> Barbie car
<Guest 16> dont know the torque
<Guest 49> how much weight does it have to lift, and how fast is it lifting?
<Guest 16> its lifting about 50 inches, dont know how fast yet
<Guest 49> how much weight?
<IndySam> we feel like we are a week behind.
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<novatose> inventor vs. solidworks ,wasn't that going to be addressed?
<SuperNerd256> That's going to be in another chat.
<Meredith16> Autodesk award is due Feb. 17
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<Meredith16> http://students.autodesk.com/ama/orig/Jan20UpdateAutodeskFRCContestRules.pdf
<thefro526> Yay, I can chat under my username now
<schreiaj> Have you been acting as me?
<stevend223> isn't it due march 30th, merideth?
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<Guest 49> Michigan has only awarded 1 WFFA
<Guest 49> for the last few years
<schreiaj> ^ which is derp
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<stevend223> and 4:59 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) on March 30, 2012"
<Guest 49> 3 chairman's, 1 WFFA, 1 or 2 rookie allstars
<Guest 40> I think the change was that MAR teams can submit at a Regional if they attend
<Guest 48> im in mar
<Guest 52> heh, "Hawaii District System"
<SuperNerd256> CA is going to do that eventually. Jim Beck said so.
<stevend223> hawaii+cali, right?
<SuperNerd256> CA and Hawaii
<stevend223> yeah, there's a thread on chief
<MarcS> Brazil national district system.
<SuperNerd256> Yeah, I started it I think.
<Guest 52> CA + Hawaii... hope someone pays for the airfare
<Guest 48> Yes
<jeremypg399> Beck is talking with our people about an event down the road from our school
<stevend223> 2 districts in hawaii
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<Guest 48> That would be great
<stevend223> region championship is on a boat in between
<SuperNerd256> Really? That's cool!
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Guest 52> FRC on a boat xD
<Guest 49> FRC on an Aircraft carrier would be awesome!!!!!
<MarcS> Cruise ship championship!
<jeremypg399> Keep an eye out for the Aerospace Valley event in coming years :)
<Guest 52> now there's a real water game
<SuperNerd256> No. You can't. If you are in CA, you can only do CA district competitions.
<Guest 49> stray shots go overboard...
<SuperNerd256> Thanks Jeremy!
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<Guest 52> most teams are two-regional teams... except hawaii teams :<
<Guest 52> and israel teams
<Guest 40> most teams are definitely not two regional teams
<Guest 49> Guest 52, that is not accurrate
<Guest 34> Why?
<SuperNerd256> I heard they will be forced to do their own district.
<Guest 48> hmm
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<Guest 52> I'm not saying that's accurate, I'm repeating what they said in the audio
<SuperNerd256> Which means one regional failure will ruin your average.
<Guest 52> Most teams are definitely not two-regional teams
<schreiaj> Andrew, that's how districts are now
<SuperNerd256> oh.
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<Guest 49> 64
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<Guest 49> and the delta is very small between 40%tile and 60%-tile teams
<Guest 49> 0.8 balls was the median
<SuperNerd256> 0
<SuperNerd256> .8
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<Guest 49> 1.4 is average contribution, but median was 0.8
<Guest 49> for 2010
<Guest 49> you were fed
<Guest 49> balls
<Guest 52> that's kind of shocking given that all you needed back then was a drive train
<thefro526> In 2010 we'd push balls over the bump
<thefro526> or cherry pick the auton balls
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<Guest 52> you really think that that many teams had no drive trains?
<Guest 49> compare week 1 to week 4, and it is a completely different group because everyone can play better
<Guest 52> remember the zone separation; defensive robots in breakaway were usually on defense for the whole match...
<SuperNerd256> People had drive trains. Good strategies and poor driving caused low scores.
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<Guest 52> i'd like to know how that 0.8 number was taken
<Guest 52> was it pre-penalties or post-penalties?
<Guest 49> 8 pts!
<Guest 49> 8pts!
<Guest 49> 8pts!
<SuperNerd256> Guest 49 makes a good point. 8 points in autonomous will be pretty helpful in the beginning.
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<Guest 49> and very very very simple to execute, but most will not do that
<Guest 52> yeah it is
<Guest 52> good team goes to balance, loses points
<Meredith16> any points in autonomous will be helpful
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<Guest 49> instead of scoring 8, most teams will fail at attempting 12...
<novatose> what are your guys' thoughts on a 4 ball hybrid?
<SuperNerd256> We're going for the middle hoops in autonomous.
<novatose> just in any goal
<Guest 49> someone on the alliance needs to put the bridge down
<Guest 52> putting down the bridge is harder than many teams may guess, though
<Guest 52> there's more force required than people probably thought on day 1
<IndySam> There will many bots who wont be able to climb onto the bridge
<Guest 49> A simple wedge bot could tilt it down
<Guest 49> for someone else
<SuperNerd256> Is that considered aiding in balance?
<Guest 14> we're using a cim to push it down (which is in conjunction with our design)
<IndySam> I'm glad we aren't playing week one or two
<Guest 49> 6 hours isn't enough to download code?
<SuperNerd256> Our programmers worked while we built.
<Guest 52> same here
<Meredith16> I'm here with 3 programmers and a driver :)
<IndySam> our programmers are using last years bot to program
<phoebepatwell639> Our programmer got almost no sleep for weeks because we gave it to him so late last year
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<SuperNerd256> We're using our last year's robot to test sensors.
<MarcS> For weeks?^
<Guest 52> we used last year's to figure out auto-balancing the bridge
<IndySam> build two robots :)
<phoebepatwell639> from the end of build until our first competition
<SuperNerd256> Here's a question: You have a main robot, and a small practice bot base. How do you distribute both robots between drivers and programmers in one week
<MarcS> Build 3 robots. Proto, practice, and comp.
<SuperNerd256> We barely got through this build season without demolishing our 2011 bot.
<Guest 52> lose weight; removing the weight could mean dropping functions from the robot and you wouldn't want the programmers to waste time on deleted parts
<Guest 52> ...
<Guest 52> if they already have it done why do they need more time to work on it?
<Guest 14> testing^
<SuperNerd256> To perfect and tune things.
<Guest 51> we lost about 14lbs on thursday at our first competition with speed holes
<Guest 52> done = tested
<Guest 52> not tested = not done
<SuperNerd256> A robot is never "done"
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<MarcS> Our 2011 robot isn't done yet...
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<SuperNerd256> Neither is ours! (In fact, it's now less functional than it was before)
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<IndySam> LOL when is week 5 not stressful :)
<thefro526> Vs Week 6 :P
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<Guest 14> it doesn't even feel like week 5...
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<SuperNerd256> Bye!
<Guest 52> bye
<Meredith16> g'night!
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<SuperNerd256> :|
<IndySam> great job guys!
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