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<ahill1625> we haven't weighed yet
<Cormier> button heads! much better then socket cap.
<IndySam> practice bot is 120, comp bot will be lighter
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<alecmataloni111> Also, make sure the inspector's foot isn't on the scale
<rcmolloy> we have a lot. went through a box of 500 in one of our assemblies
<JacobP79> I tried to explain that to my students but they didnt listen
<schreiaj> Alec, if I ever inspect your bot I'm doing that
<rcmolloy> roughly, drilled out 50-60 though
<schreiaj> But, I don't actually weight enough
<alecmataloni111> Al Skierkiewicz inspects us every year. and he does exactly that.
<schreiaj> isn't that breaking the conflict of interest form?
<ahill1625> Al did that to me once, grrrr lol
<Cormier> yo aren..
<Cormier> i have a ruckus award design idea. when do you want to start?
<ahill1625> i'll start by bugging you to learn CAD
<BrendanB> I hate that update, we spent a long time in CAD to keep our basket in the 14in.
<Cormier> i know how to use it. but i dont have the skills anymore.
<ahill1625> good project to relearn it
<GCentola1126> alex, are our cad monkeys not good enough :P
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<Cormier> they are a bit busy.
<GCentola1126> it's a good thing Ruckus isnt till October!
<Cormier> I want to get the awards designd and made earlier. no more night before thing.
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<GCentola1126> Inconceivable!
<stevend223> i was out for a sec-what are you guys doing for banebots on the BOM? deducting 30 for the credits?
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<stevend223> thats what i did
<stevend223> i wasnt sure
<stevend223> rookie KOP stuff counts for veterans
<Guest 14> heh
<stevend223> it can't be split up
<stevend223> that's what they ruled, they have to be each number right next to each other no gap
<alecmataloni111> Yes.
<BrendanB> Yes
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<thefro526> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407908_10150525611747693_1190266564_n.jpg
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<alecmataloni111> Hahahahaha
<BrendanB> hahhahahaha love that!
<alecmataloni111>
<Cormier> that is an excellent scouting tip. check out the bumpers... that will tell you how well the other parts of the robot is made.
<IndySam> LOL
<stevend223> hahahaha
<andybaker45> hey
<ahill1625> banebots was a coupon number in TIMS
<ahill1625> no voucher
<GCentola1126> that is hilarious
<Cormier> yes sir, I have heard of that too.
<ahill1625> oh hey andy is here
<andybaker45> some inspectors are foolish
<schreiaj> some inspectors are inexperienced
<Cormier> Hi Andy Baker
<andybaker45> hey, Alex
<schreiaj> btw Andy, still heading to MAR Cmp?
<IndySam> Andy who?
<BrendanB> some inpectors like judges are new
<ahill1625> Andy, you should come to midwest
<alecmataloni111> ^^^
<andybaker45> I don't think I can come to MAR Champ
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<grimtuesday> Come to flr!
<thefro526> Andy, Nooooooo
<andybaker45> I am not happy about that, but my wife will be gone that weekend (of Mar Champ), and I need to stay home with my kids
<thefro526>
<schreiaj> Wow, so Andy missing a District Championship
<Cormier> The kids can come out with you/
<Cormier> ?
<Cormier> *can't
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<Stogi> wow Andy
<Stogi> disappointed
<andybaker45> guys, this is just like the old 84" rule
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<andybaker45> it's the inspector's job to point it out to the head ref, and the head ref's job to call the penalty if it happens
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<andybaker45> but bumpers don't weigh over 30 pounds
<grimtuesday> 20 lbs each, 2 sets
<IndySam> we have never had 15lb bumpers
<thefro526> two 13lb sets plus 5lbs in robot parts
<schreiaj> I think what Dustin was pointing out was that bumpers DO count for weight.
<andybaker45> yes, agreed
<IndySam> we made our bumpers at Boiler last year because we brought in a 25lb arm
<GCentola1126> This is why we usually do red bumpers and blue covers
<GCentola1126> although the teams that have the flap that switches between red and blue is sweet!
<BrendanB> Its annoying when you work hard to follow rules that others break and get away with because their are no consequences
<schreiaj> Yes
<andybaker45> you could build a whole robot
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<swan217> I've dont that!
<andybaker45> with only 30 pounds of custom parts
<swan217> *done
<jsneer> https://www.facebook.com/ShakerRobotics.Team2791
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<Cormier> AM challenge?
<alecmataloni111> @jsneer That looks awesome, btw
<IndySam> Lots of stupid questions
<BrendanB> Jack nice robot!
<jsneer> thanks
<BrendanB> Can't wait to see it at GSR!
<alecmataloni111> I really like the speed controller placement up the back.
<andybaker45> no
<andybaker45> yes
<stevend223> ex. you can't take apart the pg71 gearmotor and use the motor
<andybaker45> yep
<jsneer> that photo was from last wednesday, so we have covers on our wires and an intake/elevator too
<jsneer> but thanks, designed by sophomores with first time in CAD
<Stogi> gonna shamelessly add this in here btw https://www.facebook.com/pages/Robotics-Memes/107270772736087
<Guest 13> watch the likes increase
<Cormier> Hmm. I wonder if i should buy a huge hige qty of pool noodles and stock and sale them.
<andybaker45> geee... what an idea!
<ahill1625> beaten to the punch
<smitsmcgee> western new york here, we have no trouble walking into a pool supply store and buying noodles in the middle of winter
<BrendanB> Most teams buy them in the summer but rookies have no clue
<Cormier> dont you have them fo sale andy?
<andybaker45> I buy them by the 1000
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<Guest 13> do you epic fall pool parties?
<swan217> Just ask Schreiber or me to send them from Florida
<swan217> Year round
<BrendanB> AM distro in florida! :P jk
<schreiaj> Holy jeez, Swando isn't busy tonight
<swan217> I could totally get into that Brendan
<swan217> Define "not busy." Actually at home on the other hand...
<schreiaj> you were whining you were always busy!
<swan217> I'm just saying, who says I'm not busy
<ahill1625> nope
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<BrendanB> pure win!
<stevend223> their shot looks nice
<swan217> Agreed
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<BrendanB> I think it will win a regional but not einstein
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<alecmataloni111> If they can speed up their 2 point score, then they'll do very well for themselves.
<JacobP79> They'll be like last year, win florida, do fine at champs
<swan217> It reminds me of Hammond '03. Creative, useful, efficient, but totally unnecessary for the game
<BrendanB> What makes it hard for them is that is a steep ramp for a robot to climb!
<smitsmcgee> Every miss is about a 50/50 ball. Every make goes to your opponent.
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<swan217> Yeah - 179's ramp is steeper than the regular ramp. If you had trouble getting up the ramp in the first place...
<XaulZan11> 179 doesnt need robots to climb on their ramp to get 3 robots balanced
<Stogi> Relevant https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=107274382735726&set=a.107274379402393.5856.107270772736087&type=3&theater
<GCentola1126> our trouble is we are playing at FLR and CMPs, so week 2 and CMPS.
<GCentola1126> 2 completely different games
<schreiaj> mhm
<BrendanB> Even if it is like the bump non bump robots can't use it.
<BrendanB> I'd be concerned that our bump robot wouldn't be able to climb that.
<stevend223> it'll be ugly with bumpers
<smitsmcgee> it's adorable.
<swan217> Right, but why make a ramp in the first place? Unnecessary complexity, and it implies that they're gonna sit around the ramp all match
<Cormier> hmm.... I recall a team putting up fake orbit balls onto the top of their bot in 2009...
<GCentola1126> so if you do 1519 in 2008...one robot feeds and one scores
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<XaulZan11> I highly highly doubt 179 will sit on the ramp all match
<swan217> I like the feeder-scorer idea
<BrendanB> Those robots were awesome best first year on a team and we make 2 robots... fun year!
<smitsmcgee> Those who care enough will either procure pictures or at worst watch the webcasts
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<jsneer> moar pictures
<jsneer> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421089_322997107737724_200551909982245_796570_1853063906_n.jpg
<GCentola1126> ugh. This discussion always turns ugly
<Meredith16> Does it matter?
<swan217> nope
<stevend223> karthik does nothing but build a robot for 6 weeks
<stevend223> any conversations with karthik during that time arent really him
<Cormier> MORE PIZZA
<GCentola1126> 3 foot long subs, alex?
<BrendanB> What's hard it the whole mentality of sports (kids play coaches coach) same goes for FLL students work coaches don't work on the robot.
<Cormier> i had 3" today.
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<swan217> Who gets more inspired? The kids on a successful mentor-built team, or the kids on a struggling student-built team? I'd say both about the same
<andybaker45> this is an Inspiration program, not a sports program
<schreiaj> ^
<BrendanB> agreed Andy!
<schreiaj> Andy, if you could call in and just say that...
<Meredith16> Our team values whomever builds our robots!
<GCentola1126> Sometimes, mentors step in becasue things need to get done and there arent enough dedicated students to do it.
<Cormier> hi meredith
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<Meredith16> Hi Alex
<GCentola1126> We thank those mentors
<alecmataloni111> Many teams really just want their students to pursue higher education.
<GCentola1126> They have never said anything about Student or Adult coaches either
<Cormier> it felt good to make a part today.
<Cormier> i am at a total of 2 this year.
<stevend223> but in FLL how do you regulate something like that?
<andybaker45> it depends on who you talk to - Lavery has endorsed the adult involvement version very much
<BrendanB> Legos and CNCs are two different tools
<swan217> It's just like Moneyball - The teams with money or mentors are good, but it raises the bar for the other teams to THINK smarter
<JacobP79> ^
<schreiaj> Andy, I'm talking officially come down and said.
<Stogi> http://www.simbotics.org/media/galleries/2012-build-season-week-5
<GCentola1126> I have volunteered at FLL events before, and some of them still accuse winning teams of being "mentor done"
<BrendanB> That is everyones excuse to winning team! ^
<swan217> Plus, how many legos require welding/CNC-milling?
<andybaker45> we sell the gearbox by itself
<andybaker45> yep
<schreiaj> That's a judging item in FLL< we have to ask them questions to determine that.
<schreiaj> (re students did the work)
<IndySam> nope, that's just the gearbox with a 9015
<thefro526> Just realized that
<thefro526> I'm dumb
<thefro526> sorry
<ahill1625> if 816 wins everything i'll complain that you just pulled it out of your fro
<smitsmcgee> it look tie-dyed
<BrendanB> it looks like the same stuff on rollers
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<thefro526> What's Up Aren?
<thefro526> 816 Doesn't Win Events
<Guest 14> camera
<thefro526> It's unpossible
<Guest 23> camera
<Guest 14> video camera
<andybaker45> video camera
<andybaker45> shooting
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<IndySam> camera
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<swan217> Also say video camera
<BrendanB> Honest question. Who is at the stage right now?
<IndySam> us
<schreiaj> ^ He is the 1%
<IndySam> us, we were driving and shooting today
<BrendanB> hahha ^
<smitsmcgee> yeah, we have a completed, driving robot except for signage. but we are by no means done.
<swan217> Definitely driving & practicing this week. Accessories on the other hand...
<XaulZan11> website, as well
<andybaker45> noon?
<Meredith16> Just do website now...
<stevend223> i did website teh day it opened
<XaulZan11> some of our new websites aren't quite done meredith
<andybaker45> so does WFA judging group - no past deadline entries
<stevend223> even if its not done, submit the URL, it wont get judged until a week or so before your regional
<Meredith16> It doesn't matter. The website is judged "live" and won't be for a while.
<IndySam> https://www.facebook.com/groups/28126149400/
<ahill1625> they're just using the gearbox
<Meredith16> The CA application asks if you are submitting it for "rookie all star"
<GCentola1126> what about the video?
<Cormier> indy... love those wheels!
<GCentola1126> Becasue we need to submit it, but it doesnt look like it really does anything?
<IndySam> Wonder where those came from?
<JacobP79> Practice
<JacobP79> trust me
<GCentola1126> we took after the Delphi teams, trying to start a training program
<alecmataloni111> I'm involved with the continued outreach that 111 does, but I was not around to see what our submission looked like. sorry that I can't help.
<GCentola1126> so members know what to say to judges and media
<XaulZan11> 111's winning essay is on their website
<alecmataloni111> Really? I had no idea!
<XaulZan11> yeah, our chairman's team was looking for example and yours was the first one I looked for
<alecmataloni111> I'm glad that we were able to help.
<stevend223> autodesk awards are due march 30th i believe
<XaulZan11> march 30th
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<stevend223> it's the iikos
<XaulZan11> nope
<stevend223> thats what the autodesk document implies
<stevend223> they're only doing it on the national level
<Meredith16> You can submit Autodesk award submissions beginning on Feb. 17.
<jeremypg399> yeah, there is no regional submission to the Championship, with a list of finalists
<stevend223> design AND animation
<stevend223> it used to
<stevend223> now its only on the championship level
<Meredith16> rules are on the autodesk website
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<XaulZan11> The animation document says that it must be submitted between Wednesday and march 30th
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<Stogi> Dustin this is for you
<Stogi> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=266952646708647&set=a.266945316709380.56411.133577100046203&type=3&theater
<swan217> Better figure out who's driving your robot to the competition venue...
<Meredith16> Team 16 is competing week 1 at Kansas City
<Stogi> or for anyone that wanted to see 3929's bot
<thefro526> Nice Akash
<stevend223> rutgers district will be boss
<ahill1625> we'll be there rooting for you Meredith
<thefro526> Although, needs more sex appeal
<Meredith16> well, you cut out anyway
<IndySam> I'm at Smoky week 1
<thefro526> :P at Steven
<IndySam> Pit week 2
<stevend223> rutgers is as jersey as you can get
<XaulZan11> is 829 going to smokey mt week 1?
<IndySam> no just me
<alecmataloni111> Alamo is week 1
<alecmataloni111> 148
<andybaker45> I'm going to Israel this year
<alecmataloni111> AND 118
<XaulZan11> oh ok
<Stogi> We will have Leav OZ Ari during Israel
<andybaker45> so, I can report back when I return
<Stogi> so he will be able to get us info
<swan217> 4am?
<Stogi> Oh and Baker now
<Stogi> sweet
<andybaker45> yes
<andybaker45> I get to help the lead inspector
<JacobP79> Awesome
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<GCentola1126> we had a deaf team at FLR in 2010
<rsisk101> Sorry, had to drop off cya guys. Got a robot to git built
<GCentola1126> and when we went to GTR in 2009, some people spoke french
<stevend223> NJ used to have brazilian teams
<schreiaj> see ya rich
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<stevend223> but what about districts that end on sunday?
<thefro526> I will be at most of them
<GCentola1126> as long as they can be wrapped up on time
<thefro526> They will be over by 6pm anyway
<alecmataloni111> does every regional have a webcast, or is it only select ones?
<schreiaj> It is only regionals who do it
<alecmataloni111> okay. thanks
<schreiaj> cast@ewcp.org
<stevend223> i'd talk MAR
<GCentola1126> what about FRCTop25?
<schreiaj> What about them?
<GCentola1126> Wednesdays?
<thefro526> Not Weds after ship?
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<GCentola1126> ahh. I thought these were during competition seasons
<stevend223> im excited for frctop25 this year
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