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Originally Posted by bduddy
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Originally Posted by Dale
Assuming the opposing alliance is trying to load onto the ramp on their side of the field, opposite the alley, has any team tried just parking a few feet away as was mentioned earlier? Certainly the opposing alliance may try to push you into the bridge causing you to get a technical foul. My question is have they been issuing red cards for interfering with the bridge if you just sat there after the push? It would be a question to bring up in the driver's meeting.
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Actually, being pushed into the bridge is not a foul unless you contact an opposing robot - see [G44]. I saw a robot try this in the finals of... Sacramento, I think? It helped a little bit, but the other alliance was ultimately able to double balance. |
This is interesting
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[G25] GAME
Robots may not contact or otherwise interfere with the opposing Alliance Bridge.
Violation: Technical-Foul. If the act of Balancing is interfered with, also a Red Card and the Bridge will be counted as Balanced with the maximum number of Robots possible for that Match.
[G28] GAME
Robots may not touch an opponent Robot in contact with its Key, Alley, or Bridge.
Violation: Foul; Technical-Foul for purposeful, consequential contact.
This rule applied at all times, no matter who initiates the contact, see [G44].
[G44] GAME
Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.
[G29] GAME
An Alliance may not pin an opponent Robot that is in contact with a Court border, Fender, Barrier or Bridge for more than 5 seconds. A Robot will be considered pinned until the Robots have separated by at least 6 feet. The pinning Robot(s) must then wait for at least 3 seconds before attempting to pin the same Robot again. Pinning is transitory through other objects.
Violation: Technical-Foul
If the pinned Robot chases the pinning Robot upon retreat, the pinning Robot will not be penalized per [G44], and the pin will be considered complete.
Pinning a Robot against Basketballs that are being pushed against the Court border is an example of pinning being considered transitory.
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Now, this is tricky. G44 only states that [G28] is an exception to the rule, which only involves touching the
robots in contact with the bridge, not the bridge itself. [G44] does not state that [G25] an exception. That means that [G44] still applies to [G25], in that if an opposing robot causes you to touch the bridge and no robots on it, you are fine. Also, this is further clarified in the bottom part of [G29]. If a opposing robot causes you to be 'pinned' on the bridge as well, you still wont be penalized for touching bridge.
Also, to address the question of "My question is have they been issuing red cards for interfering with the bridge if you just sat there after the push?", That is addressed in [G29]. You must chase when the robot ceases to 'pin' you, so you cannot just sit there, you must actively try to move away from your contact with the bridge. Otherwise, by the rules, you will be penalized.
Now, there is another rule we have to look at
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[G45] GAME
Strategies exploiting Rule [G44] are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed.
Violation: Technical-Foul and Red Card
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Are we really exploiting the rule? All we are doing is trying to play defense on a robot, not letting him get to the bridge. If we get pushed into the bridge, it wasnt our fault. All we were trying to do was keep them from getting to the bridge, keeping wary to not touch it by our own power.
So...Is that exploiting? I dont really know what to think!