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<sportzkrazzy> lol
<sportzkrazzy> low blow
<IndySam> boom
<CromerSmash> ouch
<alecmataloni111> 177
<Guest 18> but they won two district events!
<Justin340> ^^Exactly
<chrisisme> don't leave out 2168
<chrisisme> or i'll make an angry face
<IndySam> 1st time they never won a rookie regional
<alecmataloni111> Or another team...
<sportzkrazzy> i think its drive team
<chrisisme> they'd get there by champs imo
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<chrisisme> you can do a lot with a three sided pickup
<IndySam> co-op bridge is not why 71 isn't there
<alecmataloni111> They picked two tough regionals, too.
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<IndySam> ehmmmm
<sportzkrazzy> lol
<Justin340> 19 balls scored in Finals match 3 for 1717 as CVR
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<Justin340> I haven't seen anything that good from anyon else
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<CromerSmash> shifting?
<alecmataloni111> Human loading too
<schreiaj> shifting
<IndySam> I never saw 19 balls available to pick up in a match
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<Justin340> ^^Exactly
<CromerSmash> video anywhere?
<IndySam> so?
<Justin340> I think they feel like any team going into champs not happy with their robot
<IndySam> their in
<sportzkrazzy> they will be up there
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<Guest 18> and in that match they scored 19/20- only missing one in hybrid.... 95%
<IndySam> thanks K
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<CromerSmash> is it 1717 or 1771 that is a all seniors team?
<Justin340> Yup, crazy
<alecmataloni111> 1717
<sportzkrazzy> oh yeah
<alecmataloni111> Yes.
<IndySam> I did
<sportzkrazzy> lol
<sportzkrazzy> sams here
<IndySam> I don't want to talk about it
<sportzkrazzy> k
<IndySam>
<alecmataloni111> I thought they were going to balance 4...
<chrisisme> speaking of dying in matches...
<IndySam> the ref stranding there said he didn't see anything
<CromerSmash> seems like a fesable strategy to beat 3 balance?
<CromerSmash> unless they go to their safe zone.
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<Guest 17> i counted 3 g28 fouls for it, but overall good call
<Guest 13> "You can't triple balance without three robots." Genius.
<IndySam> 3 g28 would have made the difference
<Guest 17> no just 9 pts
<Justin340> no
<chrisisme> are we really doubting 254 here?
<IndySam> 9 points was the winning margin
<Guest 17> they alredy had 3 so 6 pt diff
<IndySam> I didn't see them ever put up the 3 points penalty
<CromerSmash> no, but surprised about the lack of "smaller" robots.
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<chrisisme> the final score did have a three point foul
<chrisisme> but the ref didn't wave a flag
<chrisisme> while staring right at the bridge...
<IndySam> it was from earlier
<Guest 15> 1662 was alliance captain
<chrisisme> i'm sure you know my opinion by now though
<Guest 17> the fun question is if 1038 tripled with them
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<IndySam> LOL instantly
<CromerSmash> no comment...
<sportzkrazzy> hey thats us
<sportzkrazzy> lol
<Guest 17> if they drive off is that interfering with ballancing?
<sportzkrazzy> 1592
<IndySam> we are tall
<sportzkrazzy> my robots bigger than yours
<sportzkrazzy> lol
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<IndySam>
<Guest 22> utah
<CromerSmash> what did 148 change to, wheel wise?
<alecmataloni111> 4 colsons
<CromerSmash> why?
<alecmataloni111> delrin sliders between the wheels
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<chrisisme> 1038 did contact other robots
<alecmataloni111> Balancing purposes
<chrisisme> not just the one that pushed them?
<Guest 13> "Death by serpentine"
<Guest 13> I want that on a t-shirt
<IndySam> I now hat the serpentine with all my soul
<CromerSmash> I'll mkae it for you guest 13...
<JacobP79> Tonight has been pretty good for t-shirt quotes
<chrisisme> we built a wide bot
<chrisisme> and then got picked at CT
<chrisisme> best decision we made this year
<chrisisme> <3 118 / 2168
<Justin340> How many "Triple" alliances won regionals...
<alecmataloni111> @340 8th seed at portland
<alecmataloni111> I'm pretty sure
<Justin340> I think we cana gree it's the vast minority
<alecmataloni111> Yep
<JacobP79> Very mad
<alecmataloni111> 148 at alamo.
<IndySam> drove me insane!
<sportzkrazzy> bingo
<sportzkrazzy> fender/key/d
<Guest 13> nope. no triples
<Guest 17> 365, 2590, and 816 prob could but didnt need it
<IndySam> I was shocked how easy it was for three wide robots to balance on the bridge
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<Guest 17> 2wides and short long
<thefro526> 365, 2590 at 816 could've
<thefro526> but 816 doesn't know how to
<alecmataloni111> hahahaha
<Guest 17> they had like an inch margin of error
<thefro526> 816 can hang off the bridge 10"
<Guest 17> kickstand only prevented them from tipping
<thefro526> and the CG is the same as a widebase
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<alecmataloni111> How's 25 this year?
<Guest 17> excellent at the fender
<Guest 17> and collecting balls
<Justin340> We did
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<sportzkrazzy> 30 sec?
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<Guest 17> 67 semms like it under 20 s
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<Guest 13> they've been improving from the key a lot too
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<chrisisme> 118 had a diagonal stinger
<Guest 13> 56 was spotty at Mt. Olive
<chrisisme> let them keep most of their bot on the bridge
<Guest 13> they had a robot there
<chrisisme> kicked $@#$@#$@#
<Guest 17> mt olive
<Guest 17> wide bot
<Mike1592> 357 is a good MAR robot
<Guest 13> Little Miss Dunker!
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<schreiaj> PICONE LANGUAGE!
<rdognaux> hurray someone mentioned 357, thanks! lol
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<chrisisme> this is why i'm not on the call
<alecmataloni111> is 357 mecanum?
<rdognaux> yes, as always
<jtemple> 357 is homemade mech
<alecmataloni111> ok
<rdognaux> jester drive
<Guest 17> werent in MtO
<Mike1592> is 1218 the real deal or were the legitimately behind 341 in both their districts?
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<rdognaux> 1218 had some issues down in DC, not really sure what was going on but they got progressively worse throughout the elims
<Guest 17> 1218 is legit but 341 is in their own
<Guest 17> league
<thefro526> 1218 is 9 of 10
<thefro526> 341 is 10/10
<rdognaux> 341 is beast
<Mike1592> So 1218 could go with their own alliance?
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<Guest 17> prob finalist
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<Guest 17> but anyones got a shot, deep feild
<CromerSmash> no 254 shirt cannon at champs this year.
<Mike1592> Whats up with 816? At the beginning of the year they looked amazing but they seemed to just drop off the radar.
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<Guest 17> won lenape
<thefro526> going to bite my tongue here...
<rdognaux> weren't they the 3rd robot? I thought they were playing the defense / passing role again. but I could be wrong
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<Guest 17> i wasnt going to bring thatup, did they give u a medal dustin
<thefro526> nope
<Guest 17> passing bot
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<thefro526> G17, who are you?
<Guest 17> need to get more accurate at champ
<Guest 17> Brian Lucas
<Guest 17> I dont have a talkshoe account
<thefro526> I wish I would've known lol
<thefro526> What's up bud?
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<Guest 17> pretty good
<Guest 17> changes look pretty good on MOE
<thefro526> anything crazy?
<Guest 17> 4342 is ready for RAS
<Guest 17> experimental stinger for MOE
<Guest 17> havent seen one like
<Guest 17> it
<rdognaux> not enough game pieces for 3 teams to shoot if your 1 and 2 shooter are good enough.
<Mike1592> 2 teams scoring + passer or 2 teams scoring + defense?
<rdognaux> 3rd should be a balancer, playing defense, passing balls
<Guest 17> 3 shooter if they alternate
<Guest 17> go to outer side collect
<rdognaux> stealing balls is a great way to play D
<Guest 17> fastest to teh bridge 1647
<Guest 17> 4ball auto
<Guest 17> for 25 and 3929
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<Guest 17> 1676
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<Guest 17> worth mention
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<Mike1592> How do you guys think 103 not going effects the championship quality?
<Guest 13> Yeah, Pascack was mentioned
<Guest 13> the'yre solid
<Guest 13> It prevents 25 from partnering with them finally
<Guest 13> :P
<Guest 13> That'll have to wait for CMP
<Guest 13> if 25 qualifies
<rdognaux> quality of the event? I think there are more than enough to make up for their absence. They're a great team though no doubt
<JacobP79> They've done that at champs a couple of years
<Guest 17> they might backfill those anyway
<Guest 17> cmp spots from MAR
<sportzkrazzy> 67
<sportzkrazzy> lol
<Guest 13> hopefully
<sportzkrazzy> oh yeah
<JacobP79> 548, 469
<Justin340> ...
<alecmataloni111> 469 is up there with them
<IndySam> they're OK
<Guest 17> 217 got much better
<Guest 17> from MD
<Guest 13> Anyone have a pic of 217?
<alecmataloni111> they are.
<Baselthe2nd> If you'll take my comments.. I guess I know a thing or two about Michigan
<Guest 13> I haven't been able to pay much attention to Michigan since I've been so busy with MAR
<alecmataloni111> 1023
<Justin340> 67..469..33..217...1023
<schreiaj> Basel, why don't ya call in
<schreiaj> You prolly know FIM better than us right now
<alecmataloni111> 3322
<Guest 13> 3322
<Baselthe2nd> Wish I could, parents are asleep
<Guest 17> 3322
<Baselthe2nd> 3322 might be the best manual shooter I've seen
<schreiaj> dang, just be quiet?
<Baselthe2nd> Uhh, alright.
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<Guest 17> 217 vid from md http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vsut7_XoLc&list=UUnKTlLJMub1a2vinlJb9ZrQ&index=2&feature=plcp
<rdognaux> 2337
<IndySam> because they didn't follow the plans
<alecmataloni111> 217 at the 7th, 8th seed spot is always dangerous at champs
<Guest 17> it was good at troy
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<Guest 17> like really accurate
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<Guest 17> prob not gonna win MSC
<rdognaux> that's why I actually kind of like this year's game. the wild card is the co-op bridge. nothing is guaranteed
<chrisisme> 67 is good
<chrisisme> that's my input
<chrisisme> :P
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<rdognaux> seems like an 'off' year for a lot of the usual powerhouses
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<Baselthe2nd> Calling in isn't going to work, sorry
<pyeung45> I can't hear
<alecmataloni111> switch browsers
<Guest 17> 2337 is decent too
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<Guest 17> 1718 too
<Guest 17> they switched to stinger
<Guest 17> 2054
<Baselthe2nd> Indeed, pneumatic 8wd. I've been petitioning against mecanums forever
<rdognaux> mecanum haters gonna hate
<rdognaux> :]
<IndySam> lol
<thefro526> Ryan, <3
<chrisisme> points
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<IndySam> I build a few hundred of them this fall
<chrisisme> points points points
<Guest 17> 2474
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<Baselthe2nd> my MI top 10: 67, 469, 217, 1023, 33, 3322, 548, 1718, 2337, 51
<rdognaux> lol hey, people can hate on them but AndyMark is selling a ton of them. gotta love the business
<Guest 17> Basel, what was 33 tech problems?
<JacobP79> You mean 245
<Baselthe2nd> Unfortunately, I never got a chance to talk to them about it
<JacobP79> not 2054
<Baselthe2nd> I'm betting they'll get it fixed, but honestly I don't know. They were really solid until they hit those issues
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<Guest 17> 2054 tech vikes werea stakerbot
<Guest 17> stackerbot*
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<Baselthe2nd> Some teams to look out for: 2474 was really good in quals at West Michigan, but couldn't put it together in the elims. They could make waves
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<Mike1592> What allaince could you guys see defeating another 67+469 pairing?
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<Baselthe2nd> 3539 is peaking at the right time. They keep getting better
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<Guest 17> is 3539 a clone this year, I thought they were last year
<Baselthe2nd> If I had to put my money on it, 67 will be top seed and pick a fender bot, probably 469, 1023 or 33 are possibilities
<Baselthe2nd> 3539 is not a clone this year
<Mike1592> Do you guys see this ending up like GTRWest, seeing if someone can unseat 67 for #1 like 3161 did to 1114?
<Baselthe2nd> They were very similar but not a clone to 1718 last year
<Baselthe2nd> There will be no one refusing to coop balance with 67, unlike 1114
<Guest 17> thx
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<Baselthe2nd> I highly, highly doubt there will be coop shenanigans
<rdognaux> risk of declining the co-op is not worth it. Not worth getting black listed.
<Guest 17> they all qualified to get there somehow, all good teams
<rdognaux> & you will get black listed if you decline flat out without a reason i.e. robot is top heavy or something
<Baselthe2nd> I honestly think 67 will have a few point lead like every one event at which they've been
<Baselthe2nd> I don't think it'll come down to the last match
<Mike1592> Do you guys see most of the alliances at MAR, MSC and Champs having a key shooter+fender shooter or will it be some other combo>
<Guest 13> with defense, teams will be forced to shoot from the key
<sportzkrazzy> ?
<IndySam> like Big 10 football
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<Baselthe2nd> Problem with fender shooters is that they can be defended. I wouldn't pick highly a fender shooter than can't shoot from the key
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<rdognaux> for MAR, I see the 3rd robot being the game changer for the alliance. whoever plays the best D is going to change the game
<rdognaux> & possibly come away w/ the win
<Guest 17> #1 seed only won phill in 2001 and 2010
<Guest 17> robot on robot for fender bots
<rdognaux> all things being even, autonomous & balancing should be equal(unless a triple happens). it's the balls scored in-between that make the difference
<Baselthe2nd> Not enough key space. I'd send a robot over to the other side to just grab balls and shoot them over (or feed directly)
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<Mike1592> So then whats the better 3rd pick: the straight defender or the ball stealer?
<Guest 17> ball stealler
<Baselthe2nd> absolutely the ball thief
<rdognaux> the defense played effects those balls scored. it'll be a matter of 6-12 points that'll decide the match
<Guest 17> they can prob block fender too
<Baselthe2nd> I'd say Michigan has about 30 solid scoring teams
<Guest 17> if needed
<rdognaux> the holy grail of a 3rd pick is the defender that can push and steal balls, and balance.
<Mike1592> Then if most people go for the ball starvation, we actually had our 3rd robot at South Florida do the pick and rolll against the team playing defense
<Guest 17> did u force g28 on them?
<Baselthe2nd> offensive blocking often just gets in the way. See the first 1114 vs. 2056 finals match, just too many teams were on 1114's side
<Guest 17> ie push them into key etc
<Mike1592> against us. Do you have your 3rd team do that instead?
<JacobP79> and 2056 was all alone and scoring constantly
<rdognaux> a team that can shoot from the corner of the key is so valuable in this game
<rdognaux> if you can leave the middle of the key open for your 2nd robot, you're gold
<rsisk101> A robot that can shoot from the side of the fender is valuable
<Mike1592> Thats why 1717 is the best bot in the world
<Baselthe2nd> I don't think 1 robot crossing to steal balls will be enough.
<rdognaux> no doubt. accurate, gets in nobody's way. those recent finals matches were incredible
<IndySam> happened at QC
<rdognaux> what were they, 18 for 18?
<Baselthe2nd> At MSC, 1 dedicated to starvation and another that crosses and scores will be requisite to win
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<rdognaux> Queens City, I watched the match video Scott. Felt for you guys & K Love's team. You got robbed.
<Baselthe2nd> If that's the strategy you're going for, anyway
<IndySam> thanks ryan
<Guest 17> that was hh
<rdognaux> happened to 357 in DC and at Hatboro. sigh.
<rdognaux> w/ the ball jam
<Guest 17> dustin
<thefro526> Thanks brian
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<rdognaux> http://youtu.be/m4Q0DMoOiVc video of the 5 ball jam if you haven't seen it
<rsisk101> ack, three or four casts??
<Guest 13> Mt. Olive was really good w/ counting the jammed balls with the proper score
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<IndySam> I hope 401
<sportzkrazzy> 4 one per field
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<schreiaj> 37, who are you?
<Guest 17> ff for ball jam happens more often in elims, they usually just corrected (if hybrid) in score in ouals
<sportzkrazzy> 4 days
<Guest 17> i hope early
<Baselthe2nd> Wish I could've called in. The one time I'd be kinda useful.. Good cast though. Wish it would've been before the Fantasy FIRST MAR Draft :P
<rdognaux> let's talk about Will.I.AM & the Black Eyed Peas making a re-appearance this year.
<rsisk101> has that been confirmed?
<Baselthe2nd> will.i.am tweeted he'll be at the CMP
<Guest 13> live episode from STL?
<rdognaux> lol no idea. I feel like they went from a huge championship show to not having any entertainment like that
<schreiaj> sorry for the delay, taking a redeye into tampa was rough
<Baselthe2nd> Not sure if it'll be an "appearance"
<Guest 17> it is at a diff time, BEP
<Guest 17> or just will.i.am
<Guest 37> How about Morgan Freeman?
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<Guest 17> he has to drive Miss Daisy
<JacobP79> When do you ever work? lol
<rsisk101> CAL rules
<rsisk101> although using Madera as a CA yardstick is not fair
<sportzkrazzy> Florida owns =)
<rdognaux> maybe 357 will prove the mecanum haters wrong this weekend... maybe.. we'll be the middle to your triple balance sandwich
<IndySam> show 'em all ryan
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