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<pyeung45> Mine has water pit map schedule etc
<IndySam> LF has posted
<Bryan33> sandals, socks, safety glasses
<Guest 53> well to start, it's all about the attitude.
<Guest 55> no its about the robots
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<wing1002> not stacked, just strong
<Guest 42> deep
<Guest 56> No, it's about the mechanum
<wing1002> it's deep
<wing1002> Archimedes is stacked
<wing1002> Newton is just strong
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<schreiaj> Sean keeps mecanum wheels in his backpack
<NawaidLadak> Even NBA players are copying Shaun
http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/kevin-durant-backpack.jpeg?w=320
<Guest 55> what about mechanum????
<Guest 42> archimedes is top heavy, imo
<SuperNerd256> Indy, I don't think LF posted...
<Hallry1676> yayyy!
<GabeSalas> lol
<Guest 25> LF did a synopsis
<SuperNerd256> I mean besides that.
<IndySam> it's a start
<IndySam> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=105925
<Guest 25> promising more stuff later
<pyeung45> no divisions yet for LF
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<SuperNerd256> ISSAIC-
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<wing1002> NEWTON
<JacobP79> Newton
<Guest 56> PUSHING POWAH!!
<wing1002> and you are spelling it wrong
<wing1002> ISAAC*
<Guest 53> 469
<JacobP79> 79
<ross1717>
<Guest 55> 7
<pyeung45> 1717 ftw
<Guest 56> 469
<Guest 56> 469
<ross1717> ^ let's hope
<Guest 56> 469
<Justin340> I can't seem to get past the buffering audio....please wait
<SuperNerd256> 1717 is the best robot in the game. 'Nuff said.
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<pyeung45> 1717, 469, 118
<SuperNerd256> ^
<wing1002> keep dreaming
<Guest 55> team 113 is gunna pwn on this field
<wing1002> that alliance will never happen
<Bryan33> A lot of that was because of 330 feeding wasn't it?
<Guest 25> 118 would no way be 24th robot
<Guest 42> pyeung, wont happen
<Guest 56> Pwn?
<pyeung45> 973 was a sleeper last year
<Leeland1126> Until I see 1717 triple balance, I can't call them the best robot in the game.
<Guest 55> PAWN
<Guest 56> xX_CODpromaster_Xx
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<Bryan33> They had lots of balls to score?
<Guest 55> chess piece
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<wing1002> 67 is still the best to me
<GabeSalas> agree Leeland^
<Guest 29> They won as the only shooter, scoring 70+ every match
<Guest 23> very true leeland
<SuperNerd256> Las Penguinnauts FTW. (469, 1717, 118)
<pyeung45> ^
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<GabeSalas> granted, how many of those points are from hybrid?
<Guest 25> only at IRI
<Guest 39> Kind of quoting Adam Freeman: 1717 can drive, and they can be wide, therefore they can triple.
<wing1002> practice
<Leeland1126> Once 1717 triples, then we can talk about them against HOT or 2056 or 341, etc. Until then, they have a lot to prove.
<wing1002> if they haven't done it in regulation yet
<Guest 56> Like a king
<wing1002> it will take time to adjust
<Guest 56> But not
<SuperNerd256> We tried playing defense against them: It did not work (and we play a good D)
<Leeland1126> Theoretical assumptions don't do it for me. No offense to the 1717 members on here in this cast.
<TheLucas365> they can be a sandwich in any triple
<Guest 39> ^
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<SuperNerd256> @Leland 1717 has never had the need to triple to win. We'll see it at champs.
<Guest 23> ball starvation
<pyeung45> starve them
<wing1002> 1717 shouldn't be the sandwich meat if they are wide
<Guest 53> Well do you have Mecanums for defense? If not you might as well give up.
<ross1717> in elims, a lot of their alliance members had com-issues, not giving them the chance to triple-balance.
<SuperNerd256> We starve...they go to the other side to get their balls back.
<Bryan33> Starve them of balls, force them to go to the other side to get them.
<wing1002> lol mecanum troll
<Leeland1126> Champs is a totally different game from regionals.
<Guest 23> lol @53
<pyeung45> block the bumb
<pyeung45> *bump
<SuperNerd256> They're too fast.
<Guest 55> my favorite alliance would probably be 113 as the lead, 4112 as the second pick due to their amazing ball pick up and lastly, 889 because their drivet
<Guest 39> They can be defended, but they're fast.
<SuperNerd256> They are really fast, and really maneuverable.
<Guest 42> l0l
<Guest 56> lol @53
<SuperNerd256> Although they do have 1 weakness people found.
<Bryan33> Thats not really defense..
<Guest 44> mecanums are obviously the best!! what are you guys thinking??
<Guest 42> being too fast?
<Guest 42> what?
<ross1717> @supernerd, what's the weakness?
<Guest 58> agree with 44
<Guest 62> pin them with 4ft per second 1st gear?
<Guest 55> macanums are dumb they have too much traction
<wing1002> guys, i do love the mecanum trolling
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<Guest 40> they drive the swerve to well to get cornered
<Guest 56> Agree with 58 who agrees with 44
<wing1002> but you guys are giving me bad memories
<SuperNerd256> Your DT doesn't have the best traction. One practice match we pushed you out of shooting position and until you pushed back we controlled you.
<wing1002> because my team used mecanums, against my will
<Guest 2> 1241 played mad defence
<wing1002> and they paid the price...
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<ross1717> yeah I think the swerve is better at avoiding than pushing
<Guest 25> swerve should make getting away from pinning stuff ?
<Guest 56> But that mechanum, sheesh.
<Guest 56> NO competiton
<Guest 39> Square before it was cool.
<Bryan33> Their square
<JacobP79> square
<Guest 25> 469 -- it's hip to be square
<SuperNerd256> It's all driver practice, but so far IF you ever get a pin, you've got them down.
<Guest 25> fixed
<pyeung45> quadrangles
<Guest 42> 469!!!!
<Guest 25> fold down a basket
<Guest 53> Yeah my team too. They were OK.
<Guest 40> they look tall because their drive base is small
<Bryan33> They are all thinwall aluminum tube. It weighs nothing.
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<Guest 56> @53: you're crazy
<Guest 55> swerve is weak!!! mecanum is the bomb diggity
<Guest 18> what's their ball collector?
<TheLucas365> pop down
<Guest 9> 469?
<Guest 39> 469 has a basket over bumper
<Guest 56> 469
<Guest 42> 469 ball collector is wacky
<Bryan33> Their ball collector is probably going 30fps
<Bryan33> It's fast
<Guest 56> Over 9000
<wing1002> but are the as good without 67?
<pyeung45> it they touch it it is theirs
<Guest 9> it works well though
<Guest 44> 111!!!! best team no question!!!
<Guest 55> 56 what are you trying to say?
<Guest 53> They look knid of ghetto for a power house robot.
<TheLucas365> does 469 have a coop bridge auto?
<Guest 29> 469 won the Detroit district without 67
<Leeland1126> 469 beat 67 twice at MSC, if I heard correctly.
<Bryan33> They carried dead 67 to win MSC.
<Guest 39> 1023 is good
<Guest 56> I'm sayin' you crazy
<Guest 18> 469 & 67 split at MSC
<Baselthe2nd> 67 looked better than 469 through districts, but 469 surpassed HOT at MSC
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<JacobP79> their robot is really cool
<Guest 56> What I want to know is key versus fender shot
<Bryan33> true fact
<Guest 25> and 67 beat 469 at waterford by 1 point
<Guest 39> by penalty*
<TheLucas365> 330 and 548 should fence each other
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<Guest 55> 469 never beat 67
<Guest 18> key > fender
<Guest 39> not true^
<Guest 42> ^yeah, at msc
<Guest 39> 469 and 67 are 2-2
<Guest 9> 469 DID beat 67
<ross1717> @talker. So true
<wing1002> remember at MSC the alliance partners are also in the game
<Guest 56> @18: explain
<wing1002> at MSC the alliance partners make the difference
<Guest 53> Fender is so much more reliable though.
<wing1002> dude
<Leeland1126> I thought of the 548 design at the start of the season. Wrote it off as being too complicated and slow. Hindsight is 20/20, huh?
<Guest 18> being able to shoot from the key is more advantageous than from the fender
<Guest 46> they also tripled with 2054 which is a long bot
<Guest 18> *if you can do it well
<Guest 42> lol
<Guest 42> skunkworks
<pyeung45> lol
<Guest 58> @18: explain more
<Guest 29> #suckworks
<Guest 40> They nail every shot they take
<wing1002> unless you're 2056 and are dialed in as soon as you hit the fender, fender shooters will not be effective against defense
<SuperNerd256> #suckworks
<pyeung45> ^
<Guest 42> why do they suck?
<Guest 42> ?
<IndySam> it's a poor joke
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<JacobP79> its a joke from FRCtop25
<Guest 40> they don't, it was a joke from FRCtop25
<Justin340> They don't...
<IndySam> overused
<TravisHoffman48> ask justin
<Guest 25> it was a mike/justin in the am joke
<Guest 18> @58, you can't defend against the key... and you're closer to the middle of the field, making it faster to collect more balls
<SuperNerd256> It's a joke about their name and an FRC Top 25 cast
<NawaidLadak> wern't they seeded #1 at all three events?
<Guest 18> fender is too unreliable with defense
<TheLucas365> its a typo gone haywire
<nahstobor> does anyone have a picture of 1983
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<Guest 28> they're shorter than full though
<Guest 28> 10" short
<Guest 60> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXqgQSWsO0s&list=UUIwSAPgJ6XJyINNtNpqK2SA&index=2&feature=plcp
<Guest 29> 469 is 2-2 against 67 in qualifications
<Guest 40> 1983 isn't full length
<Guest 28> they're almost square
<Guest 56> But fender, being closer, allows for possibly more accuracy
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<wing1002> ROBONAUTS!
<Guest 55> 118 is overrated
<pyeung45> so hot
<wing1002> Especially their lightning bolt
<SuperNerd256> I love Endeavor.
<nahstobor> 118 is not overrated my friends
<Guest 53> They may be pretty but they're overrated.
<Guest 56> 118's hanging mechanism was something to love
<pyeung45> conneticut....
<Guest 18> someone link to 118?
<Guest 44> 118 is overrated....
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<Leeland1126> 118 from Alamo would drown at champs. 118 from Lone Star, on the other hand...
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<Guest 46> agreed overly complicated
<Guest 55> i love the robonauts mecanum drivetrain, its the best
<Guest 56> 118 from Lone Star was pretty good
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<wing1002> 118 is still pretty good
<schreiaj> cannot-connecticut
<Bryan33> Less so than last year
<Guest 53> They had so many problems at Lone Star
<Guest 44> agree with 55!!
<wing1002> THeir stinger was not doing well at Lone Star
<pyeung45> they are still a fst shooter
<Leeland1126> And 118's robots are always quite complicated. 2008 and 2011 come to mind.
<Guest 56> No it was not
<Guest 56> And 2012
<SuperNerd256> 118's robot: http://vimeo.com/37293255
<pyeung45> chainzilla 2008
<wing1002> OMG the 2011 robot
<TheLucas365> this year it doesnt go out of its way to look like a dragon
<Guest 56> Their loading/shooting mech.
<wing1002> that thing was so complicated
<Guest 56> ....
<wing1002> but such a beauty
<Guest 56> Too much
<SabreBytes772> upgrading is key
<Guest 55> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much machining
<Guest 56> @55: YES
<Guest 58> agreed
<Guest 56> Have you gotten up close to see it?!
<Leeland1126> 118's consistent improvement this year has been astounding. From no longer having a balancing device to being one of the best all around robots.
<Guest 55> van gough on the robot
<Guest 9> so, actuality, how good is 469?
<Guest 42> 330 is stubborn
<SuperNerd256> The '05 arm...
<Guest 42> arm always
<Guest 56> @55: YEUH
<Guest 62> 330 is legit
<Guest 42> agreed
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<Guest 53> I'm not feeling the arm mechanisms. I don't think they should be a lock. maybe a tip.
<Guest 56> 2012 robot = a fricken spaceship machined into the bot
<thefro526> 469 is the real deal @G9
<SuperNerd256> 330 is just plain awesome.
<Guest 56> Ridiculous
<Bryan33> @9: they have lost 3 matches playing in michigan.. pretty good.
<Guest 39> Experience with 1717? Could be repeated?
<Guest 62> they can score many balls in the two minutes
<Guest 55> but 118 got sooooo lucky in finals at lonestar when the other robot got disabled...
<Guest 62> 12-15
<SuperNerd256> @53, if you knew 330, you'd say they're a lock
<ross1717> 330 EVERY YEAR makes such a strong, stable, robust robot
<Guest 62> 330 drivetrain FTW
<Guest 58> @55: robonauts just got lucky at lonestar
<SuperNerd256> They were
<Guest 53> 1477. They were disabled for the two final matches.
<pyeung45> how old is the driver now? 8th grader lol
<Guest 42> idk
<schreiaj> 7th
<Guest 55> seriously the other team had the potential to beat them!
<Guest 39> 548 can
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<Guest 39> key
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<Guest 25> no they don't
<Guest 39> 548 is good from key
<Bryan33> false
<Guest 25> 548 showed key at msc
<TheLucas365> 1983 also played D in finals
<Guest 39> at MSC they did well
<Guest 25> and well
<Guest 40> No, 548 is good from the key. better than 330
<SuperNerd256> I met their driver. He is a little kid! But still an awesome guy.
<TheLucas365> fed 2122
<wing1002> 118 wasn't lucky
<Guest 18> 330's drive coach was the best driver in the history of first IMO (Shane)
<wing1002> they had skill
<Guest 53> I like their paint scheme.
<thefro526> 548's key shot is why they're ranked over 330
<SabreBytes772> dont know if anyone else noticed this but pit maps are out
<wing1002> it took skill to come back from that 36-24 defecit in Semi 1-2
<Guest 58> if 1477 wasn't disabled 118 would've gotten WRECKED
<wing1002> and to score 106 points without a triple
<SabreBytes772> http://postimage.org/image/qg1w2l945/full/
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<wing1002> 1477 is overrated a bit
<Justin340> False
<Guest 55> yes^
<Guest 53> What kind of numbers has 330 put up?
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<JacobP79> ^
<Guest 55> to wing
<SabreBytes772> 1477 is underrated and hey justin!
<SuperNerd256> 330 played some of the best physical D I've seen.
<Justin340> 1477 is the real deal
<JacobP79> ^
<Justin340> Hey Aaron!
<wing1002> 1477 did not perform well at Lone Star
<Bryan33> Hey, we're next to 48 and across from 25 in the pits, Sweet.
<wing1002> and i'm not talking about the matches where they were dead
<wing1002> they did not do as well as 118 and 359
<Bryan33> and one pit over form 16
<Bryan33> from*
<Justin340> 1477 is 41-8
<Guest 56> 1477 = overrated
<Justin340> 2 regional wins
<Baselthe2nd> Bryan, I am quite jealous of your low number
<Guest 44> 111 pwns some serious nubs........
<Justin340> 1 finalist losing to 118 and 359
<Bryan33> lol
<wing1002> 111 is strong
<wing1002> but compared to the others?
<Justin340> what part of that is overrated?
<wing1002> look at 354
<wing1002> 254*
<SuperNerd256> 111 is great. Wished they had a swerve this year.
<Guest 56> Data doesn't tell you everything about a team's performance
<wing1002> @Justin340
<jtemple> I think 1477 is getting just the attention they deserve this year...
<wing1002> 1477 has two regional wins
<wing1002> yes
<Guest 58> @56: SO TRUE
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<IndySam> I hear their coach is OK
<Guest 39> I heard they're working on a new system- any details?
<wing1002> but look at the Lone Star performance
<Guest 55> i <3 56!!!
<Leeland1126> If you're going to call a team overrated, please justify it.
<wing1002> Lone Star had Championship competition
<pyeung45> raul is pretty great
<Guest 29> Dustin, what happened to the 111's close the loop system you bragged about?
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<wing1002> and 1477 is good, but are not better than 118
<Justin340> and they were finalists
<pyeung45> yeah
<Guest 55> because the other team carried them
<Guest 53> Does 111 have a stinger? I can't tell from the photo.
<wing1002> not necessarily 55
<wing1002> 624 was good as well
<Guest 58> 624 carried 1477
<Justin340> And we are just dismissing their 2 regional wins and 40 match wins?
<Bryan33> I believe 111 does.
<wing1002> no of course not
<SuperNerd256> Has 111 won the most championship titles?
<wing1002> no
<wing1002> 71
<Justin340> They are Top 15 overall
<Guest 39> 111 done any triples?
<Justin340> maybe not better then 118
<jtemple> 71 has 4. 67 and 111 have 3
<SuperNerd256> How many has 71 won?
<wing1002> really?
<Guest 29> 71 has 4 championship wins, 67 and 111 have 3
<Justin340> but not overrated
<wing1002> perhaps
<TheLucas365> can 842 score consistently from key?
<pyeung45> 71 should have 5...darn 2007
<Guest 56> 1477 isn't even on this field
<wing1002> 1477's adjusted OPR (the one that you can actually compare to other regionals) is not as high as others..
<wing1002> i think 1477 came up when someone said 118 was overrated and 1477 was better
<Guest 53> So what about 842? I haven't heard much about them.
<wing1002> 842 is good
<pyeung45> they have brakes
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<SuperNerd256> Many teams have brakes.
<schreiaj> OPR is a worthless metric this year, and 1477 isn't on this field, why were they brought up aside from someone having a grudge?
<Guest 53> They don't look too impressive from their picture...
<IndySam> only works from one side
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<SabreBytes772> we are going to fender now its so easy!!! I LOVE SHOOTING FROM THEIR!
<Guest 55> there*
<SuperNerd256> ^
<Guest 42> fender is easy to defend though
<Guest 75> hiii
<Guest 25> good no tracking -- no retro reflect visible
<SabreBytes772> yea then we go to the key!
<wing1002> @schreiaj, because someone said 118 was overrated and 1477 was better ;P
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<schreiaj> Fair enough
<wing1002> OPR is worthless across regionals, but what about adjusted OPR?
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<Guest 55> key shooting is more efficiant if they are dialed in
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<SabreBytes772> our robot is originally a key shooter. We slowed down the shooter for fender shots. if we need to change i press a button and we shoot from key
<Guest 56> Fender shot = death
<wing1002> isnt' adjusted OPR taking into account the competitiveness of the regional?
<Guest 55> efficient*
<GabeSalas> is there any audio?
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<Leeland1126> Bots from the fender need to be VERY wary of defense. Regional defense is usually nothing to champ defense.
<rsisk101> They shoot from the side of the fender which is unique
<rsisk101> 842 does
<TheLucas365> not totally, the graph between all regional is not well connected
<Guest 29> adjusted OPR only takes into account co-op balancing. It doesn't adjust for regional strength or anything else
<schreiaj> OPR isn't a useful metric because the sum of the teams in an alliance is != their actual scoring capability because of the tactical complexity of this
<thefro526> Gabe, if you're missing audio trying refreshing
<Baselthe2nd> Adjusted OPR takes into account the Coop Bridge. It just adds points for teams' coop points
<schreiaj> +game
<Guest 25> lights out shooter in detroit
<wing1002> oh
<GabeSalas> thanks fro - will do
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<Leeland1126> I loved watching 1023 at MSC
<nahstobor> OPR doesn't work very well this year...
<Guest 25> had tough time at msc
<Justin340> prob Top 5 in MI
<Guest 53> Does 1023 have a stinger as well?
<Guest 46> yes
<Guest 39> Tough time on the Bridge, didn't use balancer.
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<Guest 39> No brakes at MSC, fell over a lot.
<TheLucas365> Ed law seem to use all match data across reg in one OPR solve
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<wing1002> yea, my team's OPR was last ranked in the region, but we definitely scored all of our alliance's points, despite a losing record
<Guest 55> who will win this field?
<SuperNerd256> Halved, not doubled.
<Guest 46> 469
<wing1002> 1717
<Justin340> No wins, decent shooter
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<Guest 18> haha isn't this whole game a shooting game?
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<Guest 55> so 469 or 1717?
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<wing1002> BOTH
<Guest 18> all the best robots can balance. the difference will be in the shooting
<Guest 46> no its more of a bridge game
<Guest 25> except for the detail of the coop bridge ...
<Guest 56> 469
<wing1002> unless someone else gets to first seed
<TheLucas365> I think 222 is adding a speed sensor
<Guest 55> which one?!?!?
<wing1002> then... look out for the "scorched Earth"
<Guest 56> 469
<wing1002> 469
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<Guest 56> Actually, scratch that
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<Guest 56> 1114
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<Guest 39> 2056
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<Guest 55> oooohhhh
<wing1002> 67
<TheLucas365> they were operating w/o speed control
<SuperNerd256> Is "scorched Earth" a simple feeding and starvation tactic?
<wing1002> no
<wing1002> that's an alliance selection tactic
<Guest 18> if 330/548 wins #1 seed, who do they pick? does that robot accept?
<wing1002> you make al top 8 seeds decline you
<Guest 56> 469
<SuperNerd256> Oh, I get it now.
<wing1002> then no uber alliances can be picked
<wing1002> and it's fair game
<jtemple> SuperNerd, See Newton 06 for Scorched Earth
<SabreBytes772> woot woot!!!!
<Guest 53> I like how 610 looks.
<Guest 2> love 610
<Guest 39> Why do people think scorched earth is more likely here than other divisions
<Guest 42> if 548 gets #1, they will pick 469
<Guest 42> if 330 gets #1, they will pick 1717
<wing1002> the strength of the division
<Baselthe2nd> 548 is so good at balancing, can hang so far off, no teams will have qualms about tripling with them. I could see 1717 or 469 accepting.
<Guest 62> 300 gets #1 you go with them
<Guest 39> 548's third best no doubt
<SuperNerd256> I wonder how 1717 would be if they had two feeder bots on the other side, and they were the sole scorer. A possible strategy?
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<wing1002> if 469 or 1717 doesn't get first seed, you can get some uber alliances in the top 8
<Guest 39> Not if the other bots can score
<Baselthe2nd> Additionally, they aren't going to just pick 469 because Michigan. They'll pick the best team.
<Guest 2> gtr east was intense
<wing1002> so thats why i think the scorched earth would work
<SabreBytes772> sooooo close!
<Guest 62> 1717 can put up more than 20 balls
<Guest 25> 5 robots is pretty crowded in any end of the field
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<Leeland1126> In all honesty, if that were the case Supernerd, they'd probably get robbed of ballsd.
<Leeland1126> *balls
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<Guest 39> 469 can put up the balls they can pick up, 1717 the same
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<Guest 25> they have to get 20 balls to put up -- that's what a lot of the starvation discussion is about
<wing1002> yea...
<Guest 18> @39, so who picks up more balls then?
<SuperNerd256> They can collect so fast and score so fast that even if the opponents start taking them back they'll have to fight for balls.
<wing1002> that's the general feel of FRC vets
<JacobP79> T3
<wing1002> mecanum wheels are DERP
<Guest 55> starvation?
<Guest 39> They both get all that are available is my guess.
<Guest 29> no time limit for the best division
<Guest 53> a dumper?
<Leeland1126> Haha Matt takes over here
<SuperNerd256> I just know it got to a point at CVR where in some matches 1717 had to scavenge for balls when they shouldn't have needed to.
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<Guest 62> if there are no balls then nobody is scoring
<Guest 39> ^
<Leeland1126> 340 can play pretty much every aspect of this game right now.
<jtemple> ...except 3 pointers
<jtemple> :P
<JacobP79> One of the best 2 point bots in this game
<Guest 46> i love all the long bots talking about how far they can hang off the bridge
<rsisk101> you need defensive robots that know how to scoop up balls and get tehem over to the shooters
<Guest 55> 3>2
<Leeland1126> 3*2 = 2*3
<rsisk101> math is hard
<Guest 42> 3*3 > 2*3
<wing1002> math is easy
<matt_FRCDesigns> How did I do Justin?
<Leeland1126> 3*3 is harder than 2*3
<matt_FRCDesigns>
<Guest 55> 3*3 > 2*3
<Guest 39> Not from the fender
<JacobP79> Andrew, take over here
<Guest 25> 3*2*1 = 3+2+1 ?
<Leeland1126> Depends on the shooter.
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<Justin340> You did good, thanks for the kind words
<Justin340> I hope we can bring it
<Guest 42> well*
<Guest 56> 133*1 > 132
<Leeland1126> I'll defend 340 to the end Justin
<Guest 42> 426652356 > 23414
<matt_FRCDesigns> you can and will. have my number on speedial in case
<wing1002> yes, we get it
<Justin340> hahaha thanks Leeland
<wing1002> i can do math too
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<Guest 56> Math is hard
<Guest 42> ^
<schreiaj> congrats you all can do math...
<Guest 55> math are hard*
<Guest 56> SO much math
<Guest 53> Math is SO hard.
<SuperNerd256> Do the math, save the world.
<Guest 56> At LEAST 10 math
<Guest 42> 2+2=5
<Guest 46> they have a 67 inspired stinger
<Guest 42> 4x4=12
<Baselthe2nd> My Calc class finished last week, so I forgot all math
<Guest 25> 2834 has a solid auto
<Leeland1126> this is NOT 1984
<Guest 55> at least 7!
<Justin340> This chat has taken on a life of its own
<Guest 53> No it's 4 but you were so close
<Guest 25> have shown solid shooting
<Bryan33> 2834: Very good shooter, very smart, a little rough on balancing.
<wing1002> my calc class finishes on april 30th
<wing1002> Good old Line Integrals and Green's Theorem
<Guest 25> have shown sketchy bridge manipulation
<Guest 25> and are tall
<nahstobor> buzzzzz
<Guest 56> Tall = bridge horrors
<Baselthe2nd> 2834, when undefended, score score score and score more
<Guest 55> love carnage
<wing1002> it depends on weight
<Baselthe2nd> But when defended, have issues
<Guest 55> on the bridge
<wing1002> even if you are tall, you can balance well
<wing1002> 2415 can double in about 3 seconds and they are at the height limit
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<thefro526> It's about CG, not height
<Guest 25> height limit isn't the issue, it's where the weight is
<wing1002> yea
<Baselthe2nd> I've seen 2834 hit a dozen out of a dozen shots in a match
<wing1002> which is what i'm saying
<Guest 55> more about height
<Guest 25> they fell several times at msc
<Guest 53> Yeah band 2834 look really top heavy.
<nahstobor> It's about will and want, not CG or Height
<Guest 56> Carnage on the bridge gets the crowd going
<Guest 56> And heaven knows robotics competitions can use that
<Guest 55> CARNAGE!
<wing1002> nah, i dont like bridge carnage
<wing1002> double triples are cooler
<SuperNerd256> Sparx brainwashing.
<Guest 29> Does anyone have a picture of 191?
<Guest 56> CG and height play a big role in what's within one's means...
<GabeSalas> Baselthe2nd - you can say the same with most teams when playing defensively
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<Guest 42> i feel bad about cackling maniacally whenever a robot tips over
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<Guest 42> sorry, i can't help it
<Guest 55> i like it when robots on both ends flip
<Guest 53> Luckily I haven't seen any major problems resulting from bridge carnage.
<Guest 83> http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/053/9/3/2012_x_cat_robot__exxio_auditonimous_robot_card_fr_by_kokoed
<Baselthe2nd> Based on the scouting I've done, no, I really can't. Lots of teams miss open shots. 2834 doesn't.
<nahstobor> link doesn't work
<nahstobor> guest 83
<Guest 29> It took 191 15 years to win a regional
<Leeland1126> So.Much.Trouble.
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<rsisk101> Gotta bail and go train FLL judges. You all have a great night
<wing1002> have fun!
<rsisk101> Great cast as always
<Guest 42> gn
<GabeSalas> good luck richard
<Leeland1126> We're working on it
<nahstobor> You would pick a MAR team
<rsisk101> Hi Gabe, see you in St. LOuis?
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<wing1002> MOE!
<SuperNerd256> GO MOE!
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<GabeSalas> Absolutely - getting two teams ready for St. Louis
<rsisk101> rockin!
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<Guest 29> No love for 1540?
<matt_FRCDesigns> Hows that Leeland?
<Guest 83> Oops
<TheLucas365> yup
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<grimtuesday> sooo, pit map is out
<Leeland1126> Sorry, team policy. Can't talk about it
<GabeSalas> those wheels
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<grimtuesday> http://postimage.org/image/qg1w2l945/full/
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<Guest 53> Wow. 1126 is really tall.
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<Leeland1126> Yeah, we're up there.
<TheLucas365> change in shooter sprockets
<Guest 56> :P
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<Guest 56> XD
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<matt_FRCDesigns> @Leeland did I give a good overview?
<Leeland1126> Yeah, you covered the robot really well!
<Guest 81> 2122=sleeper?
<Guest 53> Leeland, are the bridges really challenging for you guys?
<Guest 25> like real estate -- schedule schedule schedule ...
<Guest 25> 38 w 62l ?
<Leeland1126> They were really bad for us at FLR
<TheLucas365> 26 wide in gdoc
<wing1002> Scorched Earth might be seen during alliance selections (i'm a broken record)
<Guest 42> 26 wide
<Guest 42> 43 long
<Leeland1126> But we haven't fallen over yet
<grimtuesday> 1717 seeds first, 469 rejects, 469 chooses 610, 1717 chooses 548 and wins the division
<TheLucas365> not complete info
<Guest 73> 1983 is square
<Guest 73> squareish
<Guest 53> Well that's fortunate.
<Guest 56> 2 wide + 1 long vs. 2long + 1 wide
<Guest 62> 469 rejects?
<Guest 56> Thoughts?
<Guest 25> no way ...
<grimtuesday> does 1717 have a stinger now?
<Guest 56> Opinions?
<Bryan33> 469 would never reject that
<Guest 18> @grim. you crazy
<Leeland1126> We're making some major changes for champs, so we're hoping things will work out better.
<Baselthe2nd> Why would 469 reject 1717?
<Guest 81> triples can be defended
<Guest 3> why would 469 reject
<wing1002> 469 would have to be insane to do that
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<Guest 42> pretty much
<grimtuesday> 469 has rarely been the primary balancer in the alliance
<schreiaj> if they think they can build a better alliance without them?
<Guest 56> @81: and?
<Guest 25> have to have been smoking their bananas
<Guest 29> Anyone in the division have a ball off the co-op bridge auto?
<Guest 62> 469 can be the last one on watch michigan
<Baselthe2nd> Andrew, based on current info, that's extremely unlikely
<schreiaj> I agree
<Guest 25> ah 469 did the triples with 1023 at detroit
<grimtuesday> true
<schreiaj> But this is CMP, stranger things have happened
<Guest 25> and half of them at msc, 67 the other half
<Baselthe2nd> Just making sure.. I've heard some weird things from people recently
<GabeSalas> the issue with out scoring, between two robots to score an additional 7 balls within 30 seconds is tough but manageable
<Baselthe2nd> True
<TheLucas365> tough to practice triple on practice feild?
<Guest 3> 548 needs like 18 inches on the bridge
<Guest 18> haha i haven't seen anything stranger than 469 rejecting 1717 as #1 seed
<Leeland1126> If 1717 seeds first, they will have their invitation accepted. Not because 469 thinks they could build a better alliance, but to face 1717 is dangerou
<Guest 40> 1983 is short (32") and can hang a lot off the bridge too
<Guest 39> less than wide bot
<SuperNerd256> I can see a feeder bot just duking them out in the last 30 seconds as the opponents balance, 1717 scoring at least 7, and feeder ends with a 2Balananc
<Guest 29> no love for the PNW: 1540, 2122
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<grimtuesday> where will you guys be?
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<NawaidLadak> will there be another "general" cast with picks and other cool stuff like that?
<wing1002> autographs? :P
<Baselthe2nd> 548 can definitely balance with another suitable longbot. We balanced with them in a practice match at MSC.
<SuperNerd256> 'night!
<Baselthe2nd> triple balance, that is*
<Bryan33> Feel free to stop by 33's pits
<jtemple> Grim, we'll be...everywhere, lol
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