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Originally Posted by akoscielski3
I can/will expance on this later but for now...
Alliance A: gets the Co-op bridge balls
Alliance B: doesnt get alliance bridge balls
1. You said that there would be a 24 point difference. But who said that alliance B doesnt get the 2 balls from their allaince bridge and scores those for 12 points. the the differnece is only a MAX of 12 points.
2. When Alliance A scores their 2 extra balls, then Allaince B (human players) has control of those balls and Hopefully delivers those balls to their side of the field. Helping them score more. Assuming the score is tied and they score those balls the score will be 6 point difference now for Alliance A.
At this point Aliance B only is losing by 6. Easy enough to come back from. Then it comes down to the remaining Teleop and the Bridge Points.
Notice that most of this was displayed at GTR west when 1114 and 2056 played against eachother. (meaning when delsivering balls and easily coming back from losing in hybrid) the alliance bridge was not yet perfected.
Remember this will most likely not happen but also realize that hybrid will not be everything.
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Of course Hybrid won't be everything. There is never a part of a game that is "everything".
So, using your terms, we'll say this:
Alliance A gets from the Coop Bridge and the Alliance Bridge
Alliance B gets from the Alliance Bridge
It's true, that if Alliance A gets Coop and Alliance bridge balls, and Alliance B gets their alliance balls, then there is only a 12 point spread. But still, I'd rather be up 12 points than tied.
And again, yes, then Human Players B will be in control of some extra balls. But if Alliance A puts in 10 balls in 15 seconds, that's a bit for those human players to sort through with their 6 ball maximum. So there's a chance that they'll have to just drop some, or even incur some penalties.
Even if that doesn't happen, if Alliance A puts in 10 balls, and Alliance B puts in 8, then the score is 60 to 48, in favor of Alliance A. Alliance A has 8 balls being sent to them by their human players, Alliance B has 10. If all those balls get put in, Alliance A will have 60 + 3(8) = 84. And Alliance B will have 48 + 3(10) = 78. Still in favor of Alliance A. Then, repeating the cycle after that, Alliance A will have 10 balls coming to them, and Alliance B will have 8. Alliance A can get a score of 84 + 3(10) = 114, while Alliance B gets 78 + 3(8) = 102. Again, favor to Alliance A.
At that point, Alliance B NEEDS a triple balance. With a double balance or less, Alliance A just needs to balance one robot to get the win. It still does come down to balancing, but Alliance B NEEDS to get that triple right, which causes more pressure, which, of course, causes mistakes. If it's a qualification round where triple balances are scored the same a double balances, hope for Alliance B looks very dim.
Normally, I wouldn't operate under the assumption that all Human Players get every ball across the field, and every balls gets put in each time, but at IRI, the caliber of many alliance will allow that.
I feel as though something in my logic is a bit off, but it seems to me that, any way you slice it, getting from the Coop and Alliance bridge is a huge advantage.
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Originally Posted by Chris is me
Yeah, you just have to make sure the field knocks out the third robot of all the alliances that needed to triple balance. 
I wouldn't use Einstein as an indicator for the style of play you'd see at IRI for that reason. The Archimedes finals I think are a great example of how IRI may end up playing out. |
I'd definitely agree about using Einstein. I was just pointing out that you don't need to triple to win at a high level. But you're definitely right on that one.
As for Archimedes, I'd definitely agree on that one as well. The matches are going to be "shooting-and-scoring" extravaganzas, and it's going to come down to who can lock the right balance.