[Jeremy_Mc]

in reference to it being a child of vb, i don't think that's a good thing...the conventions vb uses make me want to vomit sometimes (even though i usually use it for windows apps cause i'm too lazy to do it in c++). there's no structure, the variables usually aren't typed right (most people leave them as variable rather than integer or whatever it happens to be), and the syntax is crazy (i mean to do a new line you have to type vbCrLf rather than just \n in php...and to add a variable in a string you have to do "string" & variable & "appendix" rather than "string $variable appendix" like in php)...if you want 13 good reasons to loathe vb/asp, check out last month's issue of dr. dobb's journal under the verity stobb column...

another point in reference to the "making the # of users online" trickier in php...not true. a combination of php and javascript can make it easy to see how many guest users you have...and a boolean field in a database and a sessions variable would make it super easy to see who's logged in.

*jeremy