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Originally Posted by MARS_James
In the game manual part 2 it says:
"In order to earn the Lifting Bonus, the lifted Robot must be fully supported by the Alliance partner’s Robot and not by any other game object"
So yes a ramp would count
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James, Thanks for a straight forward response, but that rule only talks about the final position of the 'lifted' robot and not how the robot became 'lifted'. If we interpreted that rule as meaning anyway we could get our robot supported by a partner's robot is acceptable, than making a robot able to jump onto another robot would be acceptable, no? (not that I am suggesting this solution.
) Usual lifting implies an active role and lifted implies a passive role. This view is supported by this line in the same paragraph you quoted:
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During the End Game (and not before), Robots may lift their Alliance partner’s Robot above the Playing Field floor to receive Lifting Bonus points.
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Supplying a ramp seems more like a way to enable a partner's robot to lift itself and not actually doing the lift.
As an FRC referee for many years, I have seen the rules used and abused, interpreted and skewed in many ways. I refereed the match when Wildstangs stacked one non-functioning robot on top of another non-functioning robot at the beginning of the match in order to get the lift bonus. While legal at that point in the competition, a new rule was added by the next week detailing that all robots must start each match touching the floor.
This years FTC rules prevent such by not giving the Lifting Bonus if the lift started before the End Game. Assuming that a ramp is acceptable, does this mean if my Robot deploys its ramp before the End Game to allow my Alliance partner maximum time to roll up on it during the End Game that my Robot started the lift before the End Game? Is that different than deploying, let's say, a fork lift mechanism prior to End Game? The fork lift mechanism would not actively be lifting until it was placed beneath the Alliance partner's Robot and made contact with it where the ramp deployment would immediately enable 'lifting' as soon as it is deployed.
Yes, I tend to look at rules and their interpretations closer than most people. As a referee for many years I looked at them to see how the rules were going to be abused by the teams. Finally, as a second year mentor, I get to look at them to see how my team can make the maximum use of the rules. Raul has taught me well
