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Post Re: 50 POINTS

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Originally Posted by Djur View Post
Well seeing as the ideal maximum points scored per alliance is
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Auton: 9*6 + 6*6 = 90
Teleop: 45 * 3 + 6 * 5 = 165
Hanging: 30 * 3 = 90
Total: 315
Or an average 105 per robot, 50 per would not really be enough to beat powerhouse alliances in elimination matches, but likely more than enough for the randomly generated alliances in the qualification matches.
Hmmm interesting math. I realize this is the "IDEAL MAXIMUM" but let's look at this from a more geometrically and strategically realistic perspective.
To score 90 points in autonomous the alliance has to pick up 6 discs off of the floor. So on your first point (autonomous) the robot feature "floor pickup" is required.
Now taking a look at the few pictures/descriptions of 3rd level climbing mechanisms coupled with my (and other) team's brainstorming results, most 3rd level climbing mechanisms are mounted on the bottom of the robot (from front to back) or take up a huge portion of the top of the robot. Coincidentally the bottom of the robot is where a pickup mechanism needs to be mounted and the top is where a shooter needs to be mounted (there will be exceptions but this is a generalization). So, basically I'm saying that a robot will be able to achieve a 30 point climb AND be able to shoot OR pickup (they could dumb in the 1 point goal) but not all three.
That reduces the autonomous score hugely. You can have three robots that shoot 3s (6 points each) but can't pick up more, you have three robots that pick up all 15 available discs and dump them in the 1 point goal (2 points each), or some combination of the above. That gives you a range from 30-54 (approximately) points in autonomous mode.
Do I think there will be outliers that can do all three? Yes, I do. You could take a mechanism like 3847's and put a climber on it and have all three. I think someONE will do it. But the chances (much less the probability) of three such robots making it onto one alliance (in eliminations) are so astronomically huge that I wouldn't even consider it a possibility.
Now, using that model lets move on to teleop. I can't speculate as much here because this period of the game depends more on drivers, strategy, presence of defense, and other factors more than how your robot is built.
I think your figure is pretty accurate (I think three robots could score all 45 discs in the alliance station) except that I don't think three 3rd level climbers could do it.
Now all we have left is endgame. If you were to have three robots climb to the top level they would all need to climb on the outside of the pyramid (probably on the corners) which limits your options slightly. If you could have two or three robots up there then it wouldn't be a stretch to dump all six colored discs in the goal.
So my conclusion is that 315 points isn't possible for an alliance to score. I think we will see some teams score 100+ points by themselves, but the structure of the competition doesn't allow three such robots to function to their full potential on the same alliance. Also, to answer the original question, I think that you will be able to win a regional with 50 points per match, but I don't think you will be able to go anywhere at St Louis without some improvement. I think 50 points is getting close to where to need to be but not enough to go all the way.
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