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Re: Climbing and dumping not winning?

Climbing and dumping is HARD. I can count on one hand the number of robots which have been able to reliably climb and dump for 50pts at competition. None of them also have an auto mode. The closest is 179, who can shoot reasonably well, climb for 20 and dump for 20.

You are right that a 68 point contribution would win most of your matches. I guarantee you that if you have a robot which can do this every match, you will do very well at competition. Even a reliable 50pts will win a lot of matches (4451 is proof positive of this), but quite frankly, very few teams are at that level of consistency.

Additionally, if you want to be reliable you have to be fast. If it takes you a minute to climb, you may think you have all the time in the world, but it's relatively easy for an opponent to stuff you for the first minute on your trip to the feeder station and back. All of a sudden, you don't have the minute to climb like you need, and you're not in position to dump at the end. 50 points becomes 20 points, which is much less effective. While this might not happen every match, there is almost certain to be some qualification matches where the climb/dump is the primary offensive threat, and will be stopped. As the primary offensive threat in eliminations, you're all but guaranteed to be the focus of the defense. 340 fell victim to this at Finger Lakes Regional, where they were delayed just long enough.

As others have mentioned, a good autonomous and a good disc shooter with a 10 point hang can easily match or better the 50pts, and are not as "all-or-nothing", which makes them much harder to stop.
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