[Michael Blake]

Originally Posted by dcarr

Expecting Dean's List Finalist (or Winner) status to guarantee admission to two particular schools seems far fetched.

Expecting this thread to conjure up useful, measurable data is a difficult proposition - there is no way that those 350 students had similar applications outside of their Dean's List status, nor did they apply to the same schools.

David... I never used the word "guarantee" nor did intimate it. I was careful to point directly to the FIRST document and the video from the FIRST Dean's List ceremony at Championship.

Dean Kamen (watch the video) made representations about these colleges and their _desirability_ of these students to them as applicants. My experience is the representations aren't true.

I could be completely wrong on this... and I'm _simply_ looking for feedback from those who _actually_ applied to M.I.T. and Yale and what their outcome was given the representations FIRST makes about their _desirability_.

There's NOTHING wrong with questioning representations and trying to square those representations with some data... ;-)

WHY write/say the words IF the efficacy IS NOT there?!

--Michael