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Originally Posted by JackS
I think that the points should also be adjusted to be lower for the third robot on an alliance similarly to how selection points are distributed in FiM. Maybe the first two robots on an alliance get 10/15/25/35 while the third robot gets 5/10/20/30.
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I definitely do agree that the points for the 3rd robot should be adjusted... Primarily because that means that the 3rd robot on the winning alliance gets more points than any other alliance's robots (including the first two robots on all of the other alliances). Additionally, this method of assigning points gives very few points to the quarterfinalist alliances.
Although I suspect these points were removed in NE's proposal because it makes things a bit more complicated, I think assigning points based on alliance selection order as FiM and MAR do (16 to first 2 bots on Alliance 1; 15 to first 2 bots on Alliance 2; 14 to first 2 bots on Alliance 3... and 8 points to 3rd robot on Alliance 8, 7 points to 3rd robot on Alliance 7, 6 points to 3rd robot on Alliance 6) is the best way to assign points for eliminations (in addition to points based on finish).
Using 2013 GSR and 2013 Pine Tree as case studies (I chose these two because they're Week 1 vs Week 6, vary significantly in size, and Pine Tree is interesting because the red alliance won each matchup):
GSR Pick Order & Results:
610-4124-3609... W
138-131-58... QF
230-1991-1153... SF
885-1519-133... SF
151-229-1277... QF
1512-1922-1517... QF
61-175-172... F
2791-3467-78... QF
GSR Points (based on current NE proposal)
30-30-30... W
5-5-5... QF
10-10-10... SF
10-10-10... SF
5-5-5... QF
5-5-5... QF
20-20-20... F
5-5-5... QF
GSR Points (NE proposal + alliance selection points)
46-46-31... W
20-20-7... QF
24-24-13... SF
23-23-14... SF
17-17-10... QF
16-16-11... QF
30-30-27... F
14-14-13... QF
Pine Tree Pick Order & Results:
2648-3467-2386... W
176-125-63... F
1153-172-1831... SF
69-133-4564... SF
4473-58-1058... QF
78-1073-1922... QF
3930-4055-157... QF
3609-1071-181... QF
Pine Tree Points (based on current NE proposal)
30-30-30... W
20-20-20... F
10-10-10... SF
10-10-10... SF
5-5-5... QF
5-5-5... QF
5-5-5... QF
5-5-5... QF
Pine Tree Points (NE proposal + alliance selection points)
46-46-31... W
35-35-22... F
24-24-13... SF
23-23-14... SF
17-17-10... QF
16-16-11... QF
15-15-12... QF
14-14-13... QF
Seems like the current NE Proposal has several weaknesses:
- 1st and 2nd robots of each alliance get same reward as 3rd robot.
- Winners get 6x the points that the quarterfinalists get (3x the semifinalists).
- 1st and 2nd robots of finalist alliance (theoretically 3rd and 4th best teams) get 66% the points of the 3rd robot of the winning alliance (theoretically lower than 20th in ranking of teams).
These particular issues are improved with the inclusion of the alliance selection points. It'd be interesting to also add in the win-loss information... but I don't really have the time for that right now.