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Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division

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Originally Posted by iVanDuzer View Post
G27 does not state the exact method used to interfere with the pyramid. The use of the word "interfere" suggests that a robot can affect the opposing pyramid in other ways besides direct contact. I would say pushing another robot into the pyramid is one such way of initiating contact with the pyramid.
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When it comes to climbing, there's a lot of overlap between G27 and G30. If the refs were going to call one of these fouls, they should have called both. Since G27 was not called, I am left thinking that the climb bonus should not have been added for an affected climb.
And as I said...

G27 DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS SITUATION. Stop trying to confuse the issue.

G30 governs contact with a robot that is in contact with its own pyramid. G27 governs contact with an opponents pyramid. Do both of them contain a provision that if a climb is interfered with, the climb bonus is applied? Yes. Does that mean that if a climb is interfered with, both are triggered? No. That's like saying that an intentional tip in eliminations is the same as arriving with an uninspected robot in quals.

If they had called both fouls, this is the total foul points assessed: 40 points on two technicals, 30 points on a climb bonus (can't do two), and a red card. That's an awful lot for pushing a robot into its own tower, don't you think? And they'd have to come up with a far-fetched reasoning to apply G27 on top of G30--which you are doing--that wouldn't stand up under scrutiny and would cause quite a few questions. Both rules have their own penalties. It is quite possible to cause one without triggering a violation of the other.

The later penalty was called as a G27 (and according to the affected alliance, shouldn't have been called as anything). This one was called as a G30. Not the same call.
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