[Kevin Leonard]

Let's think from a picking perspective. At Connecticut, there was a very good, consistent Climb/Dump, Team 2170.
We (20) we the 1st seed, and we were trying to figure out who to pick. We were between teams 195, 177, and 228. 2170 came up in our conversation, but they simply didn't offer the same # of points or the same versatility as any of the other three options.

I think Climb/dumper-ers failed (at least at later regionals) because of that. At MOST regionals, there were at least a few robots that could outscore a 50-pt climb/dump. And if you're looking to beat the first seed alliance, what do you want? A robot that will consistently score 50 points, or a robot that has the potential to score 80.

We talk about 4451 as being one of the most successful climb/dumps, but they never won an event(you can srgue that they should have, but the fact remains that they didn't), and they weren't picked at Champs because of this.