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Unread 05-01-2014, 12:00
RRLedford RRLedford is offline
FTC 3507 Robo Theosis -- FRC 3135
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Re: Is throwing worth it ?

It all boils down to what the the level of impact is on increasing the cycle times when completing over truss shots & high goal scoring shots.

This then must be compared to the minimum cycle times that an efficient 31 point basic 3-assist with low goal score can give.

I can easily see the efficiently done 31 point cycles being completed almost twice as fast as an average 50 point cycle with both over truss done (no catch) and high goal scored.

Even assuming 100% success rate on over truss shooting, relinquishing ball possession with significant energy imparted to balls, and then perhaps having to contend with better positioned, more nimble than you defender blocking your effort to retrieve and reload the balls for the high goal shot seems like an especially risky time waster.

Then there is the issue of what percent of what goal shots can actually be successful on 1st try? Even at 90% accuracy this means you only gain ~8 points over the low goal (assuming 100% for them), and so in a five cycle match this would average out at only ~40 extra points, but if the the extra time investment needed, compared to low goal scoring, to reach that level of accuracy on the high goal, is only about 5 seconds per cycle, then the competition might nearly complete one more 31 point cycle and almost nullify the high goal scoring advantage.

So, if you seek to accomplish both the over truss shot and the high goal shot as your ideal strategy for each cycle, I conclude that that combination will ultimately prove more detrimental than advantageous for your final score.
This will be more the case with even an average amount of basic defense against you.

My advice would be to only attempt one or the other. and if high goal accuracy is good, that would be the one to do. The truss shot is just too big of a cycle time waster without having a consistent catch to add 10 more points and eliminate the ball chasing time waste. So, with the difficulty of executing the ball catch, the over truss shot seems like a bad idea.

Our team will only attempt high goal shots in both auto & tele of we can reach the 90+% accuracy level. We are also looking at how also to have an even more certain alternate option for low goal scoring, so we can go either way in matches where there is too much high goal shooting defense happening.

-Dick Ledford
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Last edited by RRLedford : 05-01-2014 at 13:38.