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Originally Posted by Mr. Lim
Good programmers always find a better way to do something, especially when it's not obvious where those improvements can be found.
No offense, but as a programming mentor on my team, if anyone came up to me and exclaimed that there were no worthwhile programming challenges this year, I'd promptly ask them to leave the team, and give my time to someone who's got a different perspective towards what it takes to build a world class robot...
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Originally Posted by bvisness
And if you're stuck and don't know what to do with your code? Why not try teaching a new team member how your code works? Why not have them try coding an autonomous routine? Raging against the GDC this way isn't particularly effective, especially when you could be coming up with creative ways to help your team.
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Originally Posted by wireties
Ditto - this young person's attitude is poison in a team effort. Hopefully a mentor on his/her team will counsel him/her.
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Originally Posted by Laaba 80
I wish Hypnotoad had left the last paragraph out of his first post. Instead of having a worthwhile discussion whether autonomous is becoming simpler, it turned into everyone teaming up against a high school student. It can be hard for a high school student to realize they are wrong, or when they are arguing instead of debating; I was the same way, and quite possibly still am. Nothing will be gained by telling him he's wrong and has things to work on, nor by him telling everyone else he has nothing to work on. If a team wants to do all kinds of awesome complex programming that's great, and if a team wants to just have basic functionality that's great too.
I hope we can all get back to his intended topic, or create a new thread for a fresh start.
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I completely agree with all of these points and they are very all well stated. I certainly give the OP credit for stirring the pot and starting a nice lively debate here, but I agree that his original post and a few of the subsequent ones are not well articulating his point, and did not carry a tone within the spirit of Gracious Professionalism that his team has worked hard to live by.
If I recall, I found myself in a similar situation on ChiefDelphi several years ago, and several of the senior members of the forum messaged me to let me know the errors of my ways. So, I decided to do the same, and I've been communicating privately with Hypnotoad.
What students need to remember, is that the internet is forever. It never forgets. While it may take years for a team to build its reputation in the FIRST community, it can all fall apart in an instant as a consequence of one team member's words or actions.
I think Hypnotoad now realizes that he has embarassed his team on a public forum, has realized that there is plenty of work to do, and has realized that he needs to really think twice before clicking the "Submit" button when posting. He has removed his team number and name, as to not let his posts reflect poorly upon the team he is involved with.
I'm going to kindly ask a moderator to close this thread, and if we'd like to start another where we discuss the level of challenge presented by this year's autonomous portion (without bashing the OP), then let's do that.