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Unread 17-03-2014, 19:44
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Re: It could happen to you (but we hope not)

Sounds like a real hectic event. Looks like you did manage to get some of the issues resolved with the timeout at least. Not without a ton of work though.

From what I can see of the video you posted of 1339... I believe that they were also in violation of the Perimeter Rule multiple times.. In fact becoming entangled numerous times with robots that they initiated contact with.

It was stated in an update that damaged caused to your robot while you or an opposing robot have an extrusion outside your perimeter, if contact is initiated by the damaged robot, will not be called for a violation.

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High speed accidental collisions may occur during the MATCH and are expected. ROBOTS extend elements outside of the FRAME PERIMETER at their own risk; no penalties will be assigned for contact between two such extended elements.

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Initiating deliberate or damaging contact with an opponent ROBOT on or inside the vertical extension of its FRAME PERIMETER is not allowed.

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL

A ROBOT with an element outside its FRAME PERIMETER may be penalized under this rule if it appears they are using that element to purposefully contact another ROBOT inside its FRAME PERIMETER. Regardless of intent, a ROBOT with an element outside its FRAME PERIMETER that causes damage to another ROBOT inside of its FRAME PERIMETER will be penalized, unless the actions of the damaged ROBOT are the catalyst for the damage.
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Bold emphasis - mine

I did not see any intentional intent to damage the robot. Though 1339 sure looked like they wanted to put on some hard hits and did many during that match.. was a site to see them bashing full speed into their opponents.

This is an extremely defensive game and was mentioned several times to build your robots robustly. We were so concerned about this that the entire robot is incased in 1/8" or greater Lexan. Even our catapult is partial Lexan, the only thing sticking out of our Lexan shell is our intake.

I feel for your frustration. There are many issues with the running of this years game.

Luckily you do have an additional event to go to. Time to gear up for that and to continue to show how your team is working hard to be truly gracious professionals.

Good luck with the rest of your season, from the looks of it you should do well. I will keep a watch on your next event. Keep it up!

Aloha
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